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Gracia 1 VS 224 DD, need help...

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Alejandro24, Nov 5, 2005.

  1. Alejandro24

    Alejandro24 Chimp

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    After some research, both bikes fills my needs perfectly in terms of riding style/terrain where i live.. Wich one would you choose??, who is ligther, stronger, more reliable?? I looking for some opinions, at least for some test ride you did.. Thanks in advance..
     
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    I have no experience with either, but since you have looked into it and found they are that similar, I have this to say: the name Crack'n'fail didn't come out of nowhere.
     
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    I've heard great things about both bikes. I'd say get the one that's cheaper, or if they're around the same price, get the one that you can get more easily. I don't think you can really go wrong with those bikes.
     
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  5. Alejandro24

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    Wich gemini do you own?? how heavy is it?? how it pedals???
     
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    Based on my experience with previous generations of both models, the construction on the Orange will be 100x superior to that of the Gemini. Get them side by side if you can and look at all the fine construction details - it will be quite clear.
     
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    224. I have a 223 and love it. its an insane bike, so light, its by far the fastest bike i have ever ridden and the smoothest feeling. it handles drops awesome and is built so nicely. Another two perks to it is its pedal-ability and the way it corners. I have ridden geminis and they just dont compare
     
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    Nobody is going to have much to say on this. How many people have seen and ridden either of these bikes, let alone both?
     
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  9. Alejandro24

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    thanks for the info, im looking for the 224 more and more.. however, the other bike is the Gracia model not the Gemini, i dont know if all the problems that everyone said are still there, is a whole new model anyways.. anyone else with an opinion??
     
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    well i havent rode the gracia and 224
    but ive rode manny a gemini and 223

    the gracia is supposed to be a beefed up version of the gemini that has more travel and is more cushy and comfortable for downhill as where the gemini had raw pedalability and great handling but is hell to ride on gnar long tracks.

    the 223-224 i think they went to a lighter longer bike with a lower pivot which is actually similar to where the piv is on the gemini. resulting in better pedaling and braking performance, and a much more active suspension, also the shock mounts are beefier and its more compact than the 223.


    i would say your choice would depend more on where you ride and what type of tracks you ride or race if your dooing more racing 224 if your dooing more freeride and and want a more forgiving ride get the gracia
     
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    a gemini "2000", nothing stock, used to be 35 some pounds, pedaled enough to beat old guys on xc bikes. but now that I took all the light stuff off, takes 12-15 footers like its no problem, still pedals enough so i can sell my xc, and races dh enough to make a beginner not look like too much of a beginner :)
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  12. Dhmann

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    Does anyone know the weight of a 224 frame?
     
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    Do you think that it is really realistic to make speculation on 2 bikes that the general public has no time on?
     
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    nail on the head.

    hell, i'd be willing to bet that two more posts from that guy and his post count will be higher than his age.

    on a serrious note, i would like to know if either of those bikes are available in rootbeer. anyone know?
     
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    they dont sell root beer in England, so the odds of making a 224 in that color are slim
     
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    I heard the Gracia was performing and passing it's latest tests at Cannondale. The bad news is they still do not know if Cedric will be with them next year. Cannondale Gracias?
     
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    If you are wondering if the cannondale will hold up the answer is yes. they manufacture the crap out of those things. the term cranknfail came from their 90s models of xc and rode bikes. i'd say you can't go wrong with a Gemini. and i'd also say that orange is a freaking siiiiiick bike and very unique too.
     
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    just wondering, why the 224 dd over the 224? i am thinking coz you freeride more then dh?in that case the gracia would be better for you coz its more progressive then the 224.
     
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    Yes, i freeride and i like to pedal all the way up.. by the way, i test rode a 224 from a friend an i fall in love, super ligth, agile and freaking fast going DH, all of this with great pedaling abilities.. but i feel that maybe the rear is to progressive for some drops, i dont know if it was the setup.. thats why i look the gracia 1 model. I know now that the gracia is not in the market yet, so im sorry for the comparison and to anyone who think that im a kid (wich im not!!). Here you just see the bike that comes overseas, the only source of news are the internet..:confused:
     
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    if you think the 224 is progressive, then the gracia will be more so.
     
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    anyone know the msrps on the gracia's?
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  23. ThePriceSeliger

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    Well, I owned a Gemini for a few months, and I have taken a few runes on an Orange 223 both with a very nice build. My Cannondale cracked very badly! If it was me and I wanted to choose between those two bikes, I would take the Orange. Hands down.
     
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    Sorry, i meant linear not progressive.. my mistake:) I start this thread because i want opinions about cannondale 's freeride models, which i havent ride yet.. The 224 construction, welds and overall finish are amazing, truly a high end rig; im starting to think that MAYBE a comparison with cannondale is pointless.. till the Gracia model hit the market, lets see...:think:
     
  25. Sherpa

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    Dont plan on getting a Gracia until March.