I just had this thought:
Mom: ok
8 babies: ok (for now)
Fertility Doctor: success
It is not his job to feed and clothe the kids, just stick em and bring em to term. I think he did his job successfully.
Grandma Blasts Octuplet Mom: "Nadya's Not Capable"
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Mom: ok
8 babies: ok (for now)
Fertility Doctor: success
It is not his job to feed and clothe the kids, just stick em and bring em to term. I think he did his job successfully.
I wasn't aware that it was without any of the following:
- her knowledge
- her consent
- her request
- her payment
I can't believe people care.
I don;t know the law, but it might even go so far as if he refuses her , she might Yell discrimination, and Fvck over the doctor that way.
It has never been a doctor's responsibility to judge a patients economic or familial situation in administering treatment, only the patient's physical and mental capacity for undergoing the specific treatment. She had proven she could safely carry a baby to term. A fertility doctor is not a psychiatrist nor social worker. While I personally think they were subjectively irresponsible, they most definitely were not by medical or legal definitions.
Because we're all, as taxpayers, paying for this and it derails fruitful discussions about welfare and disability because folks start to think everyone on welfare is a lunatic baby factory pumping out mouths for the taxpayers to feed with no repercussions.
This is the Intraweb, Hello!
Am I missing something then, because medical ethicists are all over this one. I was under the impression that a doctor could refuse to carry out the procedure on the person if they felt that it was irresponsible.
If I'm wrong, then sorry, but I thought that the doctor could/should refuse if they believed that the person wouldn't be able to take care of the kids.
Actually I remember hearing that there are some established medical guidelines regarding patient age and # of implants that was overlooked upon her request.
Something or other, but in the end I couldn't give a **** as long as I don't ever have to sit next to her and her 14 kids on a plane.
Re-re-re-re-re-re-reading that, it makes absolutely no sense. Every time you approach the keyboard, our national IQ goes down.
The doctor CAN refuse treatment (non-urgent, elective treatment), but it is not their specific responsibility. Ethicists are all over it (IMO) because it's a hard question to answer. A fertility doctor's area of expertise is not public policy, social welfare, or family health (though you would think they would have more than a casual interest in the 3rd) so they cannot be held responsible (let alone liable) for making judgements in those areas.
If defenestrated is right, that would add a dimension as those are factors that ARE the doctor's responsibility.
It may very well be that the doctor took advantage of this woman, or it may be that she took advantage of the doctor. However, it is clear that Nadya made all of the decisions here, and none of them were recommended by anyone including the doctor.
I'd be content if the doctor or sperm donor (same person?) got to pay and help raise the children.
Never let anecdotes replace facts and statistics.
By caring you in effect are helping to perpetuate the fear of the "welfare mom", by caring you are derailing valuable and legitimate discussions on welfare, poverty, and socioeconomic entrapment.
How does this make any sense?
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did anyone else read this post?
the dr. is not operating as a primary care physician. this is purely elective, very much like cat woman's dr, or sheyla hershey's dr
of course, you cannot agree with this if you hold human life to be even somewhat sacred
you lost me.
clarify: are you saying that if you hold human life to be sacred you cannot agree that this is an elective procedure?
no.
but i do find it odd to be pro choice & still take umbrage to what she did w/ her body.
say hi to cheney for me at your next baby killer conference
Got it. Fair point. Debating whether to respond and risk derailing this thread into a fetus' rights quagmire.
I think people who use a surgical procedure as birth control are stupid.
I think people who get boob jobs (excepting mastectomy patients) are shallow.
No one is arguing that she should have been forcibly given an abortion (well, maybe one or two people were...) I think the argument is that crazy psychotic assholes shouldn't have 14 kids. That's all...
She has 6 already that she admittedly can't take care of as it is. WTF was she thinking getting pregnant again (even if it were only one)?
That's my bitch.
If some rich f@cker wants to birth 14 kids, then who cares. But if you live with your folks and can't afford the kids you got, then you have NO RIGHT TO HAVE MORE. I would say I value the lives of the 8 enough to have aborted them to protect them from a life of struggle and misery.
That's my bitch.
If some rich f@cker wants to birth 14 kids, then who cares. But if you live with your folks and can't afford the kids you got, then you have NO RIGHT TO HAVE MORE. I would say I value the lives of the 8 enough to have aborted them to protect them from a life of struggle and misery.
ok, haven't trolled yet this hour:
Question 1:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?
Read the next question before looking at the response for this one.
Question 2:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three candidates. Who would you vote for?
Candidate A.
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
Candidate B.
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.
Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.
Which of these candidates would be our choice?
Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.
Question 1:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?
Read the next question before looking at the response for this one.
Question 2:
It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three candidates. Who would you vote for?
Candidate A.
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
Candidate B.
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.
Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.
Which of these candidates would be our choice?
Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.
Answer to question 1:
Shoot her in the face.
Shoot her in the face.
I'd go with a .45 with white hot lead...but I'm down like that.
If you would have PIIHB to start with, none of this would have been an issue.
*Insert pic that got n8 banned here*
This thread is BEGGING to go straight down into the gutter.
My wife herd that about the bad Back , and said carrying the Kids when she was pregnant was the biggest load she ever had on her back
It's interesting the number of people who feel the need to make reproductive choices for other people. I tend to travel the road signposted "none of your f*cking business".
I would agree completely if she didn't end up requiring boatloads of gov't assistance...
If only I could chose who gets my tax dollars. Until then, my money, my business.
Whaaa?? Seriously?? Gave her??
This (your) attitude is at the core of many many problems in this country. No possible way to hold her accountible for her own actions.....it is ALWAYS someone elses fault....
Was it not her choice? Do you think her Dr forced her to have more kids?
She has decided to have you and I pay for her family of 14... She used your money to pay that Dr...as well as all her cosmetic surgery.
So you are saying that women hold no responsibility nor have any say in getting pregnant? Men 'make' women pregant?
odd
You commit to funding all expenses for the 14 kids until they are 18...
and then cover any costs that the public incurs on their behalf for the rest of their life...
and people will no longer care.
Just out of interest, what is the magic number of children that some people should be "allowed" to have?
Lets get to the real heroes, the Shelby ville nine.
as many as THAT PERSON can pay for..simple as that.
You dont live in the US, I do. Without any representation nor input, my taxes pay for:
1 Her living expenses
2 Her first 6 implanted embryos
3 ALL of her first 6 kids living expenses (including several that are handicapped)
4 Her nose job
5 Her Lip implants
6 Her next 8 implanted embryos
And will pay for:
7 Her continued living expenses for the next 50ish years
8 All expenses due to her newest 8 kids (total of 14) for 18 years at the very least (most likely far more)
And all this so she can make children to make herself 'feel better' and to be able to being in more 'welfare' dollars for herself. She is nothing but a leach.
Gee I am a little down....do you think that you should pay for everything I want for the rest of my life to make me happy?? Seems like a good deal to me!
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The fact that she could not conceive independantly is enough to keep her out of Darwins pool; someone was trying to tell her something. The fact that she does not support the children herself is also cause for great alarm. She sets a fine example for all those coming up in the world, almost as great as the illegals who come here to calve solely for the fact that born here/stays here...as well as the parents.
Attention cold tired huddled masses- come suck off the hind teat of America...make more babies then you can handle, someone else will take care of them for you.
One way or another.
Attention cold tired huddled masses- come suck off the hind teat of America...make more babies then you can handle, someone else will take care of them for you.
One way or another.
How many can you put through college?
My folks had 6 kids. They could afford all 6 kids, but does that mean it was a good idea? I know we didn't get the level of attention my daughter gets.
Based on my personal experience, more than 3 is too many. Regardless of money, the level of personal attention just isn't there. As a single mother, 14 kids will grow up neglected on a variety of levels.
So having kids should be means tested? Got a figure in mind?
You seem like a glass half empty kind of guy. Can you say for sure, over a lifetime, that these kids aren't going to put more into the pot than than they take out?