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Green Day - American Idiot - what do you Monkeys think?
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It's catchy and good, like most of Green Day's stuff, but somehow, the "we have to do a political album because we feel strongly about politics now" sentiment just doesn't work for them (or, rather, for me, because it's my opinion).
I'm with Parts; if I want politics, I'll listen to Fugazi. But, then again, I'd rather listen to Green Day's politics than Rage Against the Machine's...
I'm with Parts; if I want politics, I'll listen to Fugazi. But, then again, I'd rather listen to Green Day's politics than Rage Against the Machine's...
When I heard Holiday over the radio I thought for sure this was a pop song I'd heard before in the 80s... but they said it was newly released. Anyhow all I can say is its overplayed on my radio station - so I'm already tired of it and don't care if I ever hear it again.
Its no Burning Ring of Fire.
Its no Burning Ring of Fire.
chicodude01 said:
If emo goes down were taking you with us. :nuts:
It is the most annoying album ever, I third that motion. I liked Dookie, thats about it, it reminds me of middle school.
Werd, Minor Threat, Social Distortion and the Dead Kennedys are punk.Serial Midget said:
edit: heres is somthing funny...
Notice the makeup on the eyes...
and notice the posuer's makeup.
Well... you can't be punk and a grammy nominee at the same time.
Punk as most people think of it is the comercialization of the New York underground scene of the 1970s and has no definition since it has been bastardized and diluted into a broad market term.
In my mind the Ramones were a bunch of punks. Malcolm McLaren was a punk but his creation the Sex Pistols were not.
Punk as most people think of it is the comercialization of the New York underground scene of the 1970s and has no definition since it has been bastardized and diluted into a broad market term.
In my mind the Ramones were a bunch of punks. Malcolm McLaren was a punk but his creation the Sex Pistols were not.
i find the music annoying and a lame attempt at non conformity.... look at me... im not normal b.s. but a few of the songs are the kind that stick in your head
I would attempt to define punk as doing something, for yourself, BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT, with no regard for anyone's opinion on the outcome except your own.
I am punk because I eat donuts. Behold.Enginerd A2 said:
what about bad religion?
McT said:
that song sounds like it was written for avril laveeeeeeeen (sp?) and green day just ripped it off.
i like green day, but i am also a huge poser.
Nazi Punks F.ck Off from the Dead Kennedy's, is a good definition of what punk means to ME :the Inbred said:
Punk ain't no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
You ain't hardcore coz you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head
Nazi punks--F.ck Off!
If you've come to fight, get outta here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy
Nazi punks
Ten guys jump one, what a man
You fight each other, the police state wins
Stab your backs when you trash our halls
Trash a bank if you've got real balls
You still think swastikas look cool
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go
Nazi punks
You'll be the first to go
Unless you think...
I thought Green Day were the American Idiots AND their fans.stosh said:
You music nazis are as hung up on the definition of "punk" as the idiots on Pinkbike who sit around and scream at each other about the definition of "freeride". Everyone laughs at them, but in reality, this is no different.
Who frickin' cares what music category you pidgeonhole it into, or who else qualifies or doesn't qualify for the same category? If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Does calling it "punk" or "poser punk" or "pop punk" or "not punk at all" change your opinion of the CD?
Who frickin' cares what music category you pidgeonhole it into, or who else qualifies or doesn't qualify for the same category? If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Does calling it "punk" or "poser punk" or "pop punk" or "not punk at all" change your opinion of the CD?
binary visions said:You music nazis are as hung up on the definition of "punk" as the idiots on Pinkbike who sit around and scream at each other about the definition of "freeride". Everyone laughs at them, but in reality, this is no different.
Who frickin' cares what music category you pidgeonhole it into, or who else qualifies or doesn't qualify for the same category? If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Does calling it "punk" or "poser punk" or "pop punk" or "not punk at all" change your opinion of the CD?
Amen Binary!
I could care less what genre it falls into - as for me, I consider it a really good album that's fun as hell to listen to. Funny thing is, my kids turned me on to the entire album. Liam got the CD with some present money because he likes Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
So I popped it into the CD player on our drive to NY on Sunday and I was hooked onto the entire CD. Good CD to listen to when driving 1-90 at 10:30pm on a Sunday night!
You guys should try out some baroque and classical music for awhile........ geez.
-S.S.-
-S.S.-
Dude, nothing written since Mahler should be considered "classical".. It's all just "poser classical"SkaredShtles said:
They're *NOT*?? Since when?the Inbred said:
Why back in the day when I watched MTV..... why, Beethoven was all the rage. -S.S.-
I like the term "modern classical"......... WTF?binary visions said:
Just because you got an orchestra together and made them scrape and toot away on their instruments, does *not* make it classical.
-S.S.-
christian marclay's stuff was pretty ground-breaking, even if you don't consider it music. same w/ that japanese dude who cut-up/scratched cds in order to tax the error-correction algorithms and see what came out.H8R said:
harry partch's 43 tone per octave stuff was pioneering too.
in the pop/rock arena, it's a much more slippery slope.
i guess the question becomes, how does one define "original"?
i think my friend phil lynes said it best 'greenday goes political, discovers eyeliner, critics amazed'
kraftwerk i'll agree w/ , but i'd say that Autechre got there before richard james did.penguinofdoom said:
add throbbing gristle, too. and suicide.
Green day is so far away from anything remotely considered punk music it's not even funny. I agree some of their older stuff fit the times better than their new album but they have gotten into that "catchy" list of groups putting out music that apeals to people now rather than what they really want to do.
There's music people would consider "punk" but none of it is really played much on radio OR TV for that matter. Once I start seeing "punk" bands on MTV and the radio you can tell they are looking to get paid. Sugarcult (way off topic) was a local small group locally, and then next thing I saw they were on MTV and such so good for them, they made it. Punk bands typically don't look for the big MTV breaks or anything. They tend to have a loyal following of just concert people and skate/surf venu's and such. I'm not saying they are "punk" but a band like Pennywise is an example. They really have no video's or anything but can pack a stage pretty much anywhere.
I don't care much for the politcal stuff in records. I hear enough crap on TV to cover any politcal need I have. I don't need my music saying the same stuff.
Back in the earley 90's, and mid to late 80's was PUNK music. There's some good stuff that comes out but bands like Good Charlete? LOL I can't even spell them as well as Green Day and others are just making music to get paid. They apeal to junior high-high school crowd and some outside of that but it's more of a market these days to make music then to make music because that's your passion. That's probably why every CD you buy now days has like 2-4 good songs on it out of like...........17-20? Go figure.....
Oh well........enough ranting.
There's music people would consider "punk" but none of it is really played much on radio OR TV for that matter. Once I start seeing "punk" bands on MTV and the radio you can tell they are looking to get paid. Sugarcult (way off topic) was a local small group locally, and then next thing I saw they were on MTV and such so good for them, they made it. Punk bands typically don't look for the big MTV breaks or anything. They tend to have a loyal following of just concert people and skate/surf venu's and such. I'm not saying they are "punk" but a band like Pennywise is an example. They really have no video's or anything but can pack a stage pretty much anywhere.
I don't care much for the politcal stuff in records. I hear enough crap on TV to cover any politcal need I have. I don't need my music saying the same stuff.
Back in the earley 90's, and mid to late 80's was PUNK music. There's some good stuff that comes out but bands like Good Charlete? LOL I can't even spell them as well as Green Day and others are just making music to get paid. They apeal to junior high-high school crowd and some outside of that but it's more of a market these days to make music then to make music because that's your passion. That's probably why every CD you buy now days has like 2-4 good songs on it out of like...........17-20? Go figure.....
Oh well........enough ranting.
Ahhh... don't take it too seriously... at least nothing I say, anyway. It's music. Enjoy it, don't over analyze it.binary visions said:You music nazis are as hung up on the definition of "punk" as the idiots on Pinkbike who sit around and scream at each other about the definition of "freeride". Everyone laughs at them, but in reality, this is no different.
Who frickin' cares what music category you pidgeonhole it into, or who else qualifies or doesn't qualify for the same category? If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. Does calling it "punk" or "poser punk" or "pop punk" or "not punk at all" change your opinion of the CD?
I don't care much about classifying the music... it's just fun to hassle the neo-punk kids and the old school punk curmudgeons (sp?). Harumph harumph harumph!
LOL I'm 23.......I dunno about how "old time" I am but it's like saying Papa Roach is in the list with the best metal bands. I just don't think so.
Music is such a personal prefrence it's not even funny. I don't mind most of it but there are alot of bands out there that claim they are "punk" but are far from it. Same goes for metal, country, other types etc.... I think POP music in general (jessica simpson & her sister, stuff on MTV ETC......is the only music that you can't really stick them in and say they are copying something else. Hehe...they all copy eachother!
Music is such a personal prefrence it's not even funny. I don't mind most of it but there are alot of bands out there that claim they are "punk" but are far from it. Same goes for metal, country, other types etc.... I think POP music in general (jessica simpson & her sister, stuff on MTV ETC......is the only music that you can't really stick them in and say they are copying something else. Hehe...they all copy eachother!
i'm 39 and i feel i missed punk's era too, which was really in the 1977-1980 time frame. hardcore picked up from that, and i caught the tail end during high school.
anyone ever hear about "Rock, Rot, or Rule"? the drummer from superchunk and the guy who used to put out 18 Wheeler fanzine teamed up for some good comedy.
http://www.markprindle.com/scharpling.htm#rock
buy it here:
http://stereolaffs.com/old_site/rock,_rot_&_rule.htm
also check out this (the music scholar is f'ing GREAT):
http://stereolaffs.com/old_site/chainfights.htm
anyone ever hear about "Rock, Rot, or Rule"? the drummer from superchunk and the guy who used to put out 18 Wheeler fanzine teamed up for some good comedy.
http://www.markprindle.com/scharpling.htm#rock
buy it here:
http://stereolaffs.com/old_site/rock,_rot_&_rule.htm
also check out this (the music scholar is f'ing GREAT):
http://stereolaffs.com/old_site/chainfights.htm
I have heard only two songs off the album, but those are two more than I wish I'd heard. "American Idiot" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" have too derivative a sound and lyrics that lack both imagination and artistic courage. "American Idiot" is SO similar to The Descendents " 'Merican" and it has absolutely no edge. Guys- when you're just going along with the popular sentiment, it ain't punk no more. "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" takes the same tired 'road of life' metaphor nowhere new. I guess I should be happy the song wasn't about teen angst or how parents suck and nobody understands me. I wonder how long before some other band tries to sell us "Street of Shattered Desires" or "Avenue of Lost Aspirations". To make matters worse, you cannot turn on a radio without hearing either song within five minutes...and they both SUCK!
I'll be the first to admit I bought "Dookie" when it came out and I still like it to this day. I have yet to hear anything since that does it for me out of them, though. Their collective muse seems to have dried up and expired rather quickly.
I'll be the first to admit I bought "Dookie" when it came out and I still like it to this day. I have yet to hear anything since that does it for me out of them, though. Their collective muse seems to have dried up and expired rather quickly.
What's wrong with "looking to get paid?" I wouldn't mind getting paid. What's wrong with writing music that will appeal to people? And besides, who are you to judge what a band "really wants to do?" Do you know them? Did you talk to the members of Greenday and Pennywise last night and compared answers?Spunger said:Green day is so far away from anything remotely considered punk music it's not even funny. I agree some of their older stuff fit the times better than their new album but they have gotten into that "catchy" list of groups putting out music that apeals to people now rather than what they really want to do.
There's music people would consider "punk" but none of it is really played much on radio OR TV for that matter. Once I start seeing "punk" bands on MTV and the radio you can tell they are looking to get paid. Sugarcult (way off topic) was a local small group locally, and then next thing I saw they were on MTV and such so good for them, they made it. Punk bands typically don't look for the big MTV breaks or anything. They tend to have a loyal following of just concert people and skate/surf venu's and such. I'm not saying they are "punk" but a band like Pennywise is an example. They really have no video's or anything but can pack a stage pretty much anywhere.
I don't care much for the politcal stuff in records. I hear enough crap on TV to cover any politcal need I have. I don't need my music saying the same stuff.
Back in the earley 90's, and mid to late 80's was PUNK music. There's some good stuff that comes out but bands like Good Charlete? LOL I can't even spell them as well as Green Day and others are just making music to get paid. They apeal to junior high-high school crowd and some outside of that but it's more of a market these days to make music then to make music because that's your passion. That's probably why every CD you buy now days has like 2-4 good songs on it out of like...........17-20? Go figure.....
Oh well........enough ranting.
Green Day doesn't give a flying F*** what you think about them. They made an album they wanted to make. That's what makes them punk.