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Guantanamo Bay (Camp X-Ray)

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Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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I was wondering how the more fervent pro-Bush/Iraq invasion peeps around here feel about the Camp X-Ray situation.

People detained without charge, trial or access to a lawyer for two years seems like a major failing in the human rights arena to me..
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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The Cleft of Venus
Originally posted by fluff
I was wondering how the more fervent pro-Bush/Iraq invasion peeps around here feel about the Camp X-Ray situation.

People detained without charge, trial or access to a lawyer for two years seems like a major failing in the human rights arena to me..
Look at the bright side... at least they have a roof over their head, 3 hots and a cot...

...a huge improvement over living on the cold ground of a Tora Bora cave and taking the daily risk getting killed by evil Imperialist US troops... or dying horribly on an airliner full of Infidels as it crashes into yet another skyscraper...

:rolleyes:
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by fluff
I was wondering how the more fervent pro-Bush/Iraq invasion peeps around here feel about the Camp X-Ray situation.
allow me to clear my throat.
not so much pro-bush, but rather pro-asskickin on night-shirt wearing fundamentalists human rights violators.
Originally posted by fluff
People detained without charge, trial or access to a lawyer for two years seems like a major failing in the human rights arena to me..
i believe that whole due process stuff, speedy trial & legal representation isn't guaranteed by us to non-citizens or to unlawful combatants. I could be wrong, but this isn't on my short list of things to debate. As far as human rights go, aren't we just doing as they would do? Not an excuse, but this isn't enough of a human rights violation to raise my pulse.
 

llkoolkeg

Ranger LL
Sep 5, 2001
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Originally posted by fluff
I was wondering how the more fervent pro-Bush/Iraq invasion peeps around here feel about the Camp X-Ray situation.

People detained without charge, trial or access to a lawyer for two years seems like a major failing in the human rights arena to me..
I am again amazed by you, fluffer. Enemy combatants whose worthless lives were mercifully spared have only those rights guaranteed them under the Geneva Convention. They get no fvcking due process. Simple detention is a much kinder fate than they deserve. You can get a helluva lot more than two damned years in jail for selling your buddy a sack of fuggin' weed. You don't think shooting at, killing, or at least attempting to kill our soldiers is a crime worthy of at least TWO MEASLY YEARS! :confused: :eek: :confused:
 

Spud

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Aug 9, 2001
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If I’m not mistaken these guys were captured in Afghanistan when the US invaded and overthrew the Taliban. (They weren’t in bunkers in Virginia) Sounds kind of like a war situation to me. I think the republic will survive if we grant these guys POW status and give them some sort of due process. (Turn it around – if the Taliban were holding American Soliders in Afghanistan I’m sure we’d demand POW treatment)

I’m not saying they are innocent and undeserving of punishment, but that should be for a court to decide in the open. Anyone care to tell me why Saddam is going to get a trial, but not these schmucks? America used to stand for something.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Originally posted by Spud
If I’m not mistaken these guys were captured in Afghanistan when the US invaded and overthrew the Taliban. (They weren’t in bunkers in Virginia) Sounds kind of like a war situation to me. I think the republic will survive if we grant these guys POW status and give them some sort of due process. (Turn it around – if the Taliban were holding American Soliders in Afghanistan I’m sure we’d demand POW treatment)

I’m not saying they are innocent and undeserving of punishment, but that should be for a court to decide in the open. Anyone care to tell me why Saddam is going to get a trial, but not these schmucks? America used to stand for something.
We will give them due process just as soon as hostile operations in Afghanistan cease...
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Originally posted by Spud


I’m not saying they are innocent and undeserving of punishment, but that should be for a court to decide in the open. Anyone care to tell me why Saddam is going to get a trial, but not these schmucks? America used to stand for something.
Way to go Idaho......god forbid the Americans and others would take the high moral ground here. I guess the north east of the compass chest thumpers around here forgot about all the hundreds of detainees released because they actually hadn't done anything wrong. Innocent until proven guilty or something like that....hopelessly naive aren't I?:rolleyes:
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by ummbikes
Any chance you could pull away from Rush Limbaugh long enough to learn what the garb of those you hate is called?
michael savage - get your rightwingnuts straight!
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by MMike
Hey fluff,

As a Brit, do you pronounce every letter in "Guatanamo"? ie: goo-wan-tanamo..

Nicara-gyoo-waa, Jag-yoo-war etc.....
Nope, I pronounce it Gwan-tah-namo (emphasis on second syllable). I also don't do the U & A separately in Nicaragua (emphasis on fourth syllable). Jaguar I am guilty of, however (partly because saying it the proper way (a al Spanish) sounds incredibly pretentious in the UK).

How aboot you?
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Feeling the lag
Originally posted by Damn True
...not as pretentious, I'll bet, as pronouncing it ya'alls way
Jaguar = "Jahg-yoo-are"
All depends where you are really. In the UK if you pronounce Jaguar or Porsche as they should be in Spanish or German you would be seen as pretentious.

Elsewhere it's probably as you say.