[SuboptimusPrime]

eeWings are def made in China. @jonKranked fair point about the difference between manufactured and assembled. Not sure but can ask.

EDIT: So the uppers and lowers are made in house as are the dampers. Possible some small standard bits like o-rings or seals are made overseas (did not get down into that level of detail). I now recall they pulled a lot of their stuff back in house (like seals) when they had reliability issues with their budget air shock (C-quent or something it was called). Bottom line, CC is pretty damn 'merkun.

 

[sikocycles]

That’s too bad but they look so cool

 

[jonKranked]

eeWings are def made in China. @jonKranked fair point about the difference between manufactured and assembled. Not sure but can ask.

EDIT: So the uppers and lowers are made in house as are the dampers. Possible some small standard bits like o-rings or seals are made overseas (did not get down into that level of detail). I now recall they pulled a lot of their stuff back in house (like seals) when they had reliability issues with their budget air shock (C-quent or something it was called). Bottom line, CC is pretty damn 'merkun.

i'm more surprised at china specifically, i would have expected taiwan.

re: fork lowers - are there any north american companies doing castings for fork lowers? or is it all overseas?

 

[ianjenn]

20mm it isn't that fucking hard......Jesus

 

[jonKranked]

20mm it isn't that fucking hard......Jesus

 

[slimshady]

i'm more surprised at china specifically, i would have expected taiwan.

Practically all the available titanium comes from Russia. Chinese factories have better access at the raw material, so I'm thinking this might have a significant impact on production costs vs Taiwan.

 

[jonKranked]

Practically all the available titanium comes from Russia. Chinese factories have better access at the raw material, so I'm thinking this might have a significant impact on production costs vs Taiwan.

google just told me that china produces more Ti than Russia.

 

[ianjenn]

When was the last time someone made a fork with a straight 1.5 steerer? Some Manitou abomination?

The fork make that shit swappable between 15 and 20mm like Fox used to do. I would way rather have a 20mm axle than a 15mm. 15mm vs 20mm is like The Clash vs Justin Beiber. Both are music and the shitbags running the industry took away "the integrity" Rush reference, to sell more songs to the poorly cultured.

 

[Salami]

eeWings are def made in China.

Are you fucking shitting me? $1000 and MADE in China?

 

[Westy]

Are you fucking shit me? $1000 and MADE in China?

About $3/gram saved over a pair of XT cranks. A very dentile value proposition.

 

[jonKranked]

Are you fucking shit me? $1000 and MADE in China?

Would you like to know what the raw materials alone cost?

 

[Westy]

Would you like to know what the raw materials alone cost?

I am guessing you can get 4 sets of cranks from of one of these.

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[jonKranked]

I am guessing you can get 4 sets of cranks from of one of these.

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Or not.

 

[rideit]

Would you like to know what the raw materials alone cost?

Yes. Yes I would.
chinese price.

 

[StiHacka]

Would you like to know what the raw materials alone cost?

About three fiddy.

 

[jonKranked]

Yes. Yes I would.
chinese price.

It cost their clean air.

 

[Westy]

Commodity prices require subscriptions. But you can get chinese 6al/4v titanium rod for $10/kg in sufficient quantities. So a 400 gram pair of eewings have about $4 of raw materials

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It would seem as though titanium is cheaper than it has been in ages, probably as the demand is reduced with the volume of available carbon fibres.

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[slimshady]

It would seem as though titanium is cheaper than it has been in ages, probably as the demand is reduced with the volume of available carbon fibres.

A couple decades ago titanium tubes could only be sourced as leftovers from the aeronautical industry, much as the carbon fiber was not so long ago.

With the big aviation firms moving to composite materials titanium has become cheaper, since the bike dedicated tubing doesn't have to pass the same astringent certifications their aviation counterparts are forced to meet.

 

[jonKranked]

Commodity prices require subscriptions. But you can get chinese 6al/4v titanium rod for $10/kg in sufficient quantities. So a 400 gram pair of eewings have about $4 of raw materials

Grade 5 Titanium 6al 4v Bar Price Per Pound Clad Copper Titanium Alloy Bar - Buy Titanium Handle Bar,Titanium Hollow Bar,Niobium Titanium Alloy Bar Product on Alibaba.com

Grade 5 Titanium 6al 4v Bar Price Per Pound Clad Copper Titanium Alloy Bar - Buy Titanium Handle Bar,Titanium Hollow Bar,Niobium Titanium Alloy Bar Product on Alibaba.com

www.alibaba.com

It would seem as though titanium is cheaper than it has been in ages, probably as the demand is reduced with the volume of available carbon fibres.

Titanium Price 2020 [Updated Daily] - Metalary

View the latest Titanium price including valuable information such as what the metal is used for, Titanium as investment, and its price history.

www.metalary.com

That's the price for grade 5. Eewings are grade 9 which is aerospace grade.

 

[Westy]

A couple decades ago titanium tubes could only be sourced as leftovers from the aeronautic industry, much as the carbon fiber was not so long ago.

With the big aviation firms moving to composite materials titanium has become cheaper, since the bike dedicated tubing doesn't have to pass the same astringent certifications their aviation counterparts are forced to meet.

There aren't that many applications of titanium in aerospace that can be replaced with composites, they are usually high temp or high toughness areas. Golf clubs used to be the biggest non aero consumer of ti, and I think that has gone all carbon.

 

[Westy]

That's the price for grade 5. Eewings are grade 9 which is aerospace grade.

That probably increases it by an order of magnitude, so $40.

Ti shit is expensive because it is a pain in the balls to work, and it is dentist jewelry so you can get people to dispose a lot of their disposable income.

 

[Nick]

If one of you armchair alchemists can knock me out a set of ti cranks between whiskeys, I have a cool $200 waiting for you.

Go!

 

[Salami]

Would you like to know what the raw materials alone cost?

IDGAF
I already thought it was crazy they cost a grand when I thought they were made the USA but could sort of justify the price since it was US made.

But if made in China? No fucking way.

 

[jonKranked]

That probably increases it by an order of magnitude, so $40.

Ti shit is expensive because it is a pain in the balls to work, and it is dentist jewelry so you can get people to dispose a lot of their disposable income.

That was the next point I was gonna get to. The arms and spindle are custom draw/form, just adding to the cost.

 

[Westy]

That was the next point I was gonna get to. The arms and spindle are custom draw/form, just adding to the cost.

It still doesn't answer why you would want to?

 

[jstuhlman]

IMA RIDE MY BIEK IN ALL TEH AEROSPACEZZZZZ

 

[rideit]

So, they should just make an economy pair out of grade 5, and charge $400.
simple math.

 

[kidwoo]

To further feed the conspiracy, there is a crossfit gym next door to us.

NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mtg]

There aren't that many applications of titanium in aerospace that can be replaced with composites, they are usually high temp or high toughness areas....

Let me tell you about this new family of composites that can handle higher temps with higher toughness.


Somebody should make a mountain bike frame out of it.

 

[Da Peach]

XT cranks fo lyfe?

 

[Jm_]

Let me tell you about this new family of composites that can handle higher temps with higher toughness.


Somebody should make a mountain bike frame out of it.

 

[jstuhlman]

XT cranks fo lyfe?

YASS BEOTCH

 

[Flo33]

XT cranks fo lyfe?

Bought a new set last week. In anti-rock/root-strike length.

 

[SuboptimusPrime]

Let me tell you about this new family of composites that can handle higher temps with higher toughness.


Somebody should make a downhill bike frame, rims, and cranks out of it.

FTFY

 

[Inclag]

Aerospace grade is just marketing jargon. Both grades are considered "aerospace".....so is 6061-t6.....

I'll stick with Shimano cranks, but if a dentist put a gun to my head, give me the grade 5 cranks with the superior UTS and yield properties. My hunch though is that they probably would end up being more expensive due to Grade 9's superior cold workability and weldability.

 

[Da Peach]

I’m on my last set of carbon cranks, methinks.

 

[Nick]

I’m on my last set of carbon cranks, methinks.

vague statement is vague.

because they're gonna last forever, or because when they surely explode in the sun, INEVITABLY, you'll move on to rhodium or stainless or ti or ....

 

[rideit]

My wife says I just noodle around on the guitar, so that would be perfect!

 

[Da Peach]

vague statement is vague.

because they're gonna last forever, or because when they surely explode in the sun, INEVITABLY, you'll move on to rhodium or stainless or ti or ....

I’m on my 3rd set of Next cranks. They’re fine, and I’ve had good warranty coverage, but my riding style doesn’t agree with carbon cranks.
If I get another warranty set, I’ll Pinkbike ‘em and shift over to XT.

 

[rideit]

Because of rock impacts?