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SuboptimusPrime

SuboptimusPrime

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eeWings are def made in China. @jonKranked fair point about the difference between manufactured and assembled. Not sure but can ask.

EDIT: So the uppers and lowers are made in house as are the dampers. Possible some small standard bits like o-rings or seals are made overseas (did not get down into that level of detail). I now recall they pulled a lot of their stuff back in house (like seals) when they had reliability issues with their budget air shock (C-quent or something it was called). Bottom line, CC is pretty damn 'merkun.
 
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jonKranked

jonKranked

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SuboptimusPrime said:
eeWings are def made in China. @jonKranked fair point about the difference between manufactured and assembled. Not sure but can ask.

EDIT: So the uppers and lowers are made in house as are the dampers. Possible some small standard bits like o-rings or seals are made overseas (did not get down into that level of detail). I now recall they pulled a lot of their stuff back in house (like seals) when they had reliability issues with their budget air shock (C-quent or something it was called). Bottom line, CC is pretty damn 'merkun.
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i'm more surprised at china specifically, i would have expected taiwan.

re: fork lowers - are there any north american companies doing castings for fork lowers? or is it all overseas?
 
ianjenn

ianjenn

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jonKranked said:
When was the last time someone made a fork with a straight 1.5 steerer? Some Manitou abomination?
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The fork make that shit swappable between 15 and 20mm like Fox used to do. I would way rather have a 20mm axle than a 15mm. 15mm vs 20mm is like The Clash vs Justin Beiber. Both are music and the shitbags running the industry took away "the integrity" Rush reference, to sell more songs to the poorly cultured.
 
Westy

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Commodity prices require subscriptions. But you can get chinese 6al/4v titanium rod for $10/kg in sufficient quantities. So a 400 gram pair of eewings have about $4 of raw materials

www.alibaba.com

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It would seem as though titanium is cheaper than it has been in ages, probably as the demand is reduced with the volume of available carbon fibres.

www.metalary.com

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slimshady

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Westy said:
It would seem as though titanium is cheaper than it has been in ages, probably as the demand is reduced with the volume of available carbon fibres.
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A couple decades ago titanium tubes could only be sourced as leftovers from the aeronautical industry, much as the carbon fiber was not so long ago.

With the big aviation firms moving to composite materials titanium has become cheaper, since the bike dedicated tubing doesn't have to pass the same astringent certifications their aviation counterparts are forced to meet.
 
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jonKranked

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Westy said:
Commodity prices require subscriptions. But you can get chinese 6al/4v titanium rod for $10/kg in sufficient quantities. So a 400 gram pair of eewings have about $4 of raw materials

www.alibaba.com

Grade 5 Titanium 6al 4v Bar Price Per Pound Clad Copper Titanium Alloy Bar - Buy Titanium Handle Bar,Titanium Hollow Bar,Niobium Titanium Alloy Bar Product on Alibaba.com

Grade 5 Titanium 6al 4v Bar Price Per Pound Clad Copper Titanium Alloy Bar - Buy Titanium Handle Bar,Titanium Hollow Bar,Niobium Titanium Alloy Bar Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com

It would seem as though titanium is cheaper than it has been in ages, probably as the demand is reduced with the volume of available carbon fibres.

www.metalary.com

Titanium Price 2020 [Updated Daily] - Metalary

View the latest Titanium price including valuable information such as what the metal is used for, Titanium as investment, and its price history.
www.metalary.com
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That's the price for grade 5. Eewings are grade 9 which is aerospace grade.
 
Westy

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slimshady said:
A couple decades ago titanium tubes could only be sourced as leftovers from the aeronautic industry, much as the carbon fiber was not so long ago.

With the big aviation firms moving to composite materials titanium has become cheaper, since the bike dedicated tubing doesn't have to pass the same astringent certifications their aviation counterparts are forced to meet.
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There aren't that many applications of titanium in aerospace that can be replaced with composites, they are usually high temp or high toughness areas. Golf clubs used to be the biggest non aero consumer of ti, and I think that has gone all carbon.
 
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jonKranked said:
That's the price for grade 5. Eewings are grade 9 which is aerospace grade.
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That probably increases it by an order of magnitude, so $40.

Ti shit is expensive because it is a pain in the balls to work, and it is dentist jewelry so you can get people to dispose a lot of their disposable income.
 
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That probably increases it by an order of magnitude, so $40.

Ti shit is expensive because it is a pain in the balls to work, and it is dentist jewelry so you can get people to dispose a lot of their disposable income.
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That was the next point I was gonna get to. The arms and spindle are custom draw/form, just adding to the cost.
 
mtg

mtg

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Westy said:
There aren't that many applications of titanium in aerospace that can be replaced with composites, they are usually high temp or high toughness areas....
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Let me tell you about this new family of composites that can handle higher temps with higher toughness.


Somebody should make a mountain bike frame out of it.
 
Inclag

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Aerospace grade is just marketing jargon. Both grades are considered "aerospace".....so is 6061-t6.....

I'll stick with Shimano cranks, but if a dentist put a gun to my head, give me the grade 5 cranks with the superior UTS and yield properties. My hunch though is that they probably would end up being more expensive due to Grade 9's superior cold workability and weldability.
 
Da Peach

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Nick said:
vague statement is vague.

because they're gonna last forever, or because when they surely explode in the sun, INEVITABLY, you'll move on to rhodium or stainless or ti or ....
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I’m on my 3rd set of Next cranks. They’re fine, and I’ve had good warranty coverage, but my riding style doesn’t agree with carbon cranks.
If I get another warranty set, I’ll Pinkbike ‘em and shift over to XT.
 
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