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I wanted a ElevinSix and got a Devo turd, wanted X01 got and paid for XX1.
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I wanted a ElevinSix and got a Devo turd, wanted X01 got and paid for XX1.
So... how many days until updated GG Smash? I've noticed that Yoann's channel has gone silent, and there's no videos by Remi or Steve with him in it in the last couple weeks (they've been filming together constantly this year). So my 
theory is he's testing/filming promo material for the updated Smash.
theory is he's testing/filming promo material for the updated Smash.“More to come”
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My minor league baseball gig didn't work out, so I hope you sell enough new Smashes to pay for my athlete salary.“More to come”
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gotcha! hook, line, and sinker!
Don’t bass-worm your way outta this
Soon?
So I know it was discussed a while back, but what are the prospects of a MegaSmash mullet being offered as a standard option in 2022?
I'm not really keen on a full 29 setup, mostly because my 27.5 wheels are already heavy enough as it is with a DD casing and inserts. But I'd be keen on giving a 29 front tire a go.
Also, and I know this has been addressed before, and might seem lame, but I really (really), like riding without a pack. It seems (to my untrained eye) that it would be sooo simple to move the shock mounting point on the downtube a couple of inches up or down to accommodate a large bottle... It's the only thing that has me hesitating...
I think I'll be looking to buy a new bike next year, and a MegaSmashMullet that can rock a large water bottle would tick all my boxes (if it existed).
I'm not really keen on a full 29 setup, mostly because my 27.5 wheels are already heavy enough as it is with a DD casing and inserts. But I'd be keen on giving a 29 front tire a go.
Also, and I know this has been addressed before, and might seem lame, but I really (really), like riding without a pack. It seems (to my untrained eye) that it would be sooo simple to move the shock mounting point on the downtube a couple of inches up or down to accommodate a large bottle... It's the only thing that has me hesitating...
I think I'll be looking to buy a new bike next year, and a MegaSmashMullet that can rock a large water bottle would tick all my boxes (if it existed).
I've been able to run 650ml bottles on a size 3. I have mastic tape on the inside of the downtube so the bottle doesn't rattle on it.
Below is 1.2 liters of water in the front triangle, size 3, with an ElevenSix. If you run a shock with more reservoir/bottle clearance, you can get even larger bottles up top.
Similar to @djjohnr, I put a piece of velcro on the downtube for bottle rattle and that also helps maximize the space.
The bottle cage holes are placed such that using a bottle cage with long adjustment slots (eg Zefal cage pictured) allows a combo of either a large bottle with less shock clearance, or medium sized bottles with more shock clearance.
When we locate those bottle mounts, we use a pile of cages, bottles, and shocks to choose something that works well with as many options as possible, and give you the ability to adjust it for your specific setup.
I'll be trying to fit some frame bags, custom if I have to. I like that with frame bags I can usually carry full size bottles easier, since they aren't as confined to the shape of the tubes, and I can cram a lot of extra stuff in there, like tools, extra gloves, hand warmers, a light base-layer or packable jacket, etc. You can always use revelate feed bags for bottles behind your handlebar. I don't find that one affects handling and I'll drink out of it first to minimize effects as I ride longer. There's also the reverse gas-tank for taco-TT to ST junctions, which can hold a good deal of stuff on it's own. I find this way I can minimize weight on my back, even if I still take some weight on my back.
I know that GG is at least considering that. Keep asking them for it. The more people we get asking loudly, the better chance it becomes a reality. I love mine, but would love it even better if the geometry was closer to stock (steeper STA, a hair less slack front, BB a hair lower) - i.e. if one of the flip chip modes was for mullet.
I have a S2 frame, and can run a 24oz bottle up top with either a Wolf Tooth Morse cage, or any other cage with a BRAD bracket. If the mount points up top moved down about 1", this would be unnecessary, but you'd have to run shocks with reservoirs facing down. I'm unable to run any bottle cage in the bottom mount with a 21oz Podium bottle without angled shims, and then I have to flip the shock reservoir up (and that limits the top bottle to 21oz).
one of many reasons I went with Öhlins coil.
Can't ride a bike if you're dehydrated.
Filed under: "user error"
That said, MTGs solution could work. Except I'm looking at a S2 frame... How much smaller are they?
I'd say user preference. There's no accounting for taste.
So you'd take clearance for a full size bottle even if it meant worse suspension performance?
Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting GG should shift the shock mount points, or even the top mount points on the S2. The shock is where it is for kinematics. The top mount is so that you can always run a typical 21oz bottle in a typical cage with a shock reservoir on top (apparently some can't clear the downtube when mounted in downward orientation). If your shock allows reservoir down, then you can pretty easily run a 24oz up top with certain cages/mounting brackets.
Due to the length of the S2, getting any regular sized bottle down on the bottom takes creative work, typically about 5mm of shims on the front to angle the bottle a bit up, and a cage that lets you slide it all the way back to the seat tube. Or running one of those ridiculous mini Fidlock bottles. You can make it happen, but I think of the lower bracket as more of a tool bracket, at least on the S2.
I haven't really tried too hard to get a working 2-bottle solution because for my typical rides, a 24oz is more than enough. For longer rides, 2x 21oz (or less with Fidlock) wouldn't be enough, so I just run 1 bottle and sacrifice my dignity with a hip pack or vest.
Due to the length of the S2, getting any regular sized bottle down on the bottom takes creative work, typically about 5mm of shims on the front to angle the bottle a bit up, and a cage that lets you slide it all the way back to the seat tube. Or running one of those ridiculous mini Fidlock bottles. You can make it happen, but I think of the lower bracket as more of a tool bracket, at least on the S2.
I haven't really tried too hard to get a working 2-bottle solution because for my typical rides, a 24oz is more than enough. For longer rides, 2x 21oz (or less with Fidlock) wouldn't be enough, so I just run 1 bottle and sacrifice my dignity with a hip pack or vest.
And make the vessel flexible?
Interestingly enough, you can often fit a larger water bottle up top on the size 2, because there is more room to run the shock reservoir on the bottom. My wife’s Trail Pistol is setup that way with a DPX2, and she can run huge water bottles.
I found a couple pics. Size 2, DPX2 shock, 750mL (25oz) bottle
