I agree. Cane Creek sent me "dumb models" of both the DB coil and DB Air, and I designed the frame to fit both.
I talked with Josh and Malcolm a fair bit about both shocks, and their recommendation was the coil sprung versio because the frame itself is progressive. However, after riding it, I think the DB Air is worth trying. The leverage curve is progressive, but not ridiculously rampy such that you can't get full travel. I have to call those guys again, get the compression curves of the air shock and see what it looks like.
About the Vivid Air, I havent confirmed that it will fit yet, but I measured a bunch of shocks when I designed that area, and it is likely to fit, but not yet verified.
My wife's Beta will have a Totem solo air, DB Air and freeride tires- I'm estimating 34.5 to 35 pounds of bike park ripper.
Those shock box plates are getting tweaked slightly, but they'll still look very similar overall. The driveside plate is getting modified a little for more chainguide clearance, and they'll both be machined from solid stock vs the Alpha frames where they were machined from plate, then formed, then final machining.
And, yeah, being as wide as they are at the bottom is for structural purposes- the pivot bearings are huge (and mounted in the shock box plates), as well as the driveside plate also has the ISCG mounts integral. That's also part of why they are pretty beefy: I wanted to make sure you could run a taco style bash guard without worrying about the ISCG tabs.
We just launched our Kickstarter campaign for the Beta frames and bikes. Go check it out, at a minimum you get to see some bad acting from me, some frame close-ups & riding video, and at best you can buy some swag, a frame or a bike.
We had to adjust the Beta frame price a little bit once the Kickstarter fees were added in, so the Beta frameset is 1925. For build kit info, email us at Bikes@RideGG.com and we'll give you info and get you squared away.
Certainly agree the front triangle is very similar, but the Diamondback is a link driven SP (like my TR450) versus GG's straight up SP. And really, the split seat tube arrangement is just a traditional way of getting around the shock, as my Transition did basically the same thing with the 450.
mtg and the crew got all 10 of their planned beta frames spoken for, with one of them going to My Damn Self. The build kits they are offering have a Dorado up front and an X-Fusion rear shock, with a Cane Creek Double Barrel as an upgrade.
Mine, however, is gonna be fitted and kitted with a full-on SRAM set up from axle to axle. Boxxer WC, Vivid coil, Avid brakes, SRAM shifting n' cranking. I thought about trying a Vivid Air on this bad larry, but unless I could pull the trigger on both a coil and an air shock I thought the coil would be a better "all-around" choice for "all" the riding "around" here. See what I did there? It does get a bit rough, loose, and fast in these here parts, and I think the coil will rock it.
With the Boxxer and the SRAM stuff, I'm thinking mine will come in ~37 ell-bees.
Awesome! Glad you got one, I was planning on buying a Beta but my job situation has put large purchases on hold for a while. Can't wait to see/hear reviews on the Betas, hopefully I'll get one when they do their next run in the spring.
Thanks for the love. And, I have skipped the last two MSC race weekends to make moar progress on the Betas. We are all pretty stoked that they are all spoken for.
The builds people are doing are going to be sick, besides the full custom Sram for Full Trucker, we have another full custom, plus a couple of the high end builds, my wife's will be about 34 lbs on a decent budget, and one build is a super bang for buck that i think will be real popular.
There are some new pics and video on the facebook page (click the link in my sig), and the drawing packages are at the machine shop now with a bunch of refinements.
Matt, the next batch will be in the early Spring time. Good luck on the job situation, i hope it works out for the best.
I thought about that early on, but it would end up being a proprietary chain guide system. And, we all know how well that would go over
It ended up making the most sense to integrate the ISCG05 mounts into the drive side shock box plate, which is how it is currently made.