Those aren't dh frames though. They're dh front triangles with trail bike rear ends.
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Those aren't dh frames though. They're dh front triangles with trail bike rear ends.
hmmm...135 x 12mm thru....seems good to me? 
I've got two pairs of Hadley 12x150/20x110 wheelsets.
Fair enough, but they are still 2.6 lbs off. Not the claimed 0.5.
Sessions are disposable DH bikes then?
My M Balance frame weights 9.3lbs with CCDBACS.
i still do as well.
on 26" wheels no less.
now i'm afraid to ride it for fear that it might explode the second i take a pedal stroke
Highest price in the industry. Among the best warranties in the industry.
Those two are not unrelated.
With all the weight you've put on recently I share that same fear. Be safe JonnyK, be safe and God speed!
Some (vastly) sooner than others.
But hey, I think we can all agree that GG would certianly be the first bike company to claim something which wasn't 100% accurate...I mean, nobody else does stuff like that -
"THE WORLD'S BEST BIKES AND GEAR FOR ROAD, MOUNTAIN, CITY, AND KIDS"
*as festooned on the top of the Trek webpage.
We'll have to update that claim, I think it was based on info that looks a bit out of date. That being said, the "just over 5 lbs" doesn't include things such as an axle, a seat clamp, chainstay protector, cable clamps, etc. Granted, none of that stuff is terribly heavy, but it adds weight. Our weight claim includes all of that stuff.
Now, how about we go over some marketing material from the companies you've worked at?
Hold on, I need to go get some coffee.
i blame teh childrens
Currently have 135, 142 and 157 all in 26"
No fvcking way I'm going to go 148 until they come and drag me screaming from me bed.
No fvcking way I'm going to go 148 until they come and drag me screaming from me bed.
Yeah, that's the unfortunate ethos of the corporate bike industry today. I'm currently riding a 10yr old frame that will probably go at least another 10 w/o flinching... it was definitely not built to be disposable.
I'm very much in the camp of having a bit more weight and having it last than half-a-water-bottle-less-weight-carboner-and-a-really-heavy-warranty and then having to send it back for replacement every year.
That's not to say that carbon can't be made to last, it's just that most companies today designing them that way.
Now, Trek rear triangles... how many broke at Lourdes? How many broken XO DH cranks?
I love everything GG is doing, and they're the small fish in a big pond. If the move to the standard du jour helps them in market relevance this year and next, and does not hurt performance, then more power to them.
FTR, I have 135, 142 and 150 hubs and 26 & 27.5 rims. The "spare wheel from my other bike" days are done.
FTR, I have 135, 142 and 150 hubs and 26 & 27.5 rims. The "spare wheel from my other bike" days are done.
God damn it Matt, you've mentioned the whole available in 157 thing like 3 or 4 times now, thats not the point. We want to bitch about something, so if you would kindly step aside, we can get back to shaking our fists at passing clouds. 
You're almost two weeks too late.
God damn it Matt, you've mentioned the whole available in 157 thing like 3 or 4 times now, thats not the point. We want to bitch about something, so if you would kindly step aside, we can get back to shaking our fists at passing clouds.
I know I complain about new standards a ton, but there's really nothing to complain about here.
I am still curious how chainline works out on a 148/83 combination setup though. @mtg?
The cassette goes inboard relative to the 157 hub, which would be a problem if it was a bike that you were climbing up hills. But, on a DH bike, when some people are even removing the three largest cogs, it works great. The chainline ends up better when you're in race-winning gears.
Until in like 2 months when a new standard will be released to prevent this. Or is it at Sea Otter already?
Passing cloud... also known as the amount of time it takes the mtb industry to introduce a new standard and mothballing the current standard.if you would kindly step aside, we can get back to shaking our fists at passing clouds.
If you do make me a 29" gg 110-130mm bike, please make mine with a 157mm rear end, K? the chainline is shit with my xt 11 speed, so you don't even need to reconfigure the spacing, just slide it on over.
What chainline are you running, and what's the rear hub width?
What frame??? Serious question...
I've broken all kinds/brands of carbon and aluminum frames for the last 4 years.
I blame it on dropper posts... seat low=DH bike
Carbon cranks were snapping all over the shop and the Treks appear to have a knack of snapping at the chainstays…but they ride amazingly well….
Take it fwiw... you could probably find out. Just thought it was worth asking due to what the funny/true statement from woo.
Not sure what you're asking?
Har har har. Very original.