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JohnE

JohnE

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May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
mykel said:
I will not shut up as long as your countries sick obsession with guns spills over into providing cheap easy to find weaponry for my countries miscreants. :mad:


Dude, I have no problem with your ability to own a shotgun or a 5 round bolt action hunting rifle. Hell, I'm in my 50's and grew up in the country. Do you actually think I have not been exposed to teh gunz and even <shock> perhaps became fairly competent with a rifle whilst out hunting?
I get it, I understand. And yes they can be fun to unload at a bunch of ferocious killer cans, pumpkins, cardboard and paper.:rockout:

However, the average person has no valid use for a handgun, or any semi-automatic high capacity weapon, outside of military or law enforcement use.

What is your reasoned opinion on why a shotgun (best home defense weapon) or a bolt action rifle are not enough to satisfy the hunter or target shooter. Why do you personally feel you need a handgun or high capacity semi-auto rifle?


BTW -whataboutism is a failed tactic of those who do not have a coherent argument. You can do better.


Come on, Fuck, we send you weed, and you send us guns and coke - we are trying to mellow you all out, but you are trying to rev us up. What's up with that? Seriously not cool dood.:drag::monkey:
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Stop making sense...it will get you nowhere.
 
boostindoubles

boostindoubles

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Mar 16, 2004
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Jm_ said:
Any weapon that is designed to hurt or kill human beings is an assault weapon in my book. That's the textbook definition of assault. I also recognize that some are not designed with this intent. With these, using them for the same purpose (assaulting human beings) is harder, whether it's because you have to cycle your bolt-action or because your target pistol only shoots .22LR, which serves as a deterrent. I'm fine with the 2nd amendment with reasonable limits, but we have gone bat-shit-crazy and supplied military infantry weapons to most of the public, and because people are irrational things given to radically different behaviors and ideas day to day, we are seeing the effects. It's not that we have more crazy people, it's that we give everyone access to these weapons. Think about it for a second, either the rest of the civilized world has freaking solved mental health, like totally solved it, with their universal socialist healthcare, or it's that limiting access to these weapons actually reduces the number of incidents where they are used.
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By no means am I trying to defend the wholesale distribution of high capacity military style weapons. I do not own them or plan on owning them. I do not understand the manic fascination with them. It hasn't always been this way. I was a kid when it started, in the early 1990's I think. I don't understand why private citizens stockpile firearms which have a primary function of close quarters human vs human combat.

You have to understand my family has been hunting and fishing and living in the country for many, many generations. We've had firearms by our side for a long time. My concern is that the firearms I use around my farm and while hunting are going to be recklessly outlawed.

For all the effort towards gun control, you'd think we'd also be focused on whats driving people to pick up weapons and attack their peers. I think we could make as much or more progress towards curbing these acts through mental health work. And don't think I am against gun control. We need to prevent bat-shit-crazy, pill-addicted zombie people from purchasing firearms of any kind. Background checks for all firearm purchases, p2p or otherwise is appropriate and necessary. Besides dealing with the guns, we need to deal with the people.
 
AngryMetalsmith

AngryMetalsmith

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Jun 4, 2006
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boostindoubles said:
By no means am I trying to defend the wholesale distribution of high capacity military style weapons. I do not own them or plan on owning them. I do not understand the manic fascination with them. It hasn't always been this way. I was a kid when it started, in the early 1990's I think. I don't understand why private citizens stockpile firearms which have a primary function of close quarters human vs human combat.

You have to understand my family has been hunting and fishing and living in the country for many, many generations. We've had firearms by our side for a long time. My concern is that the firearms I use around my farm and while hunting are going to be recklessly outlawed.

For all the effort towards gun control, you'd think we'd also be focused on whats driving people to pick up weapons and attack their peers. I think we could make as much or more progress towards curbing these acts through mental health work. And don't think I am against gun control. We need to prevent bat-shit-crazy, pill-addicted zombie people from purchasing firearms of any kind. Background checks for all firearm purchases, p2p or otherwise is appropriate and necessary. Besides dealing with the guns, we need to deal with the people.
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No one is advocating the ban of yer "farm tools" anymore than they are for tractors.

The problem isn't just a mental health issue it's simply the massive quantities of military grade, designed for human on human contact, firearms and how absurdly easy they are to obtain. These types of guns make it super easy to kill lots of unarmed and unsuspecting people quickly.

Here's the thing: My username is what it is for a reason. I have legitimate anger issues, but I can poke fun at myself. I also know that I should never own a firearm because I would use it. Never owned a tool that I didn't use at least once. For me it's a path best not traveled.

My only wish is that others would take some time to become similarly self-aware.
 
Pesqueeb

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding the baggage carousel.
boostindoubles said:
@Pesqueeb Deep breaths, deep breaths. I know you live in an urban area as do the majority of the population.

Out in the country we have all manner of wild, feral, abandoned, etc... critters everywhere. They eat and kill my pets and crops and destroy my property. The only way to stop them is to remove them. You want me to poison these things and spread the poison to other wild critters? The gun is the perfect tool to utilize. They have served in this capacity since their invention.

Any object used to inflict harm on another us technically a weapon of war. Haven't you heard of the tactical shovel??
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I understand this. I grew up in farming country. I have shot plenty of things. In my 20's I lived in a place so far from anything, and so far from anyone that my address was "Rural Route 1". Keys were left in ignitions, I never locked the house, and a shotgun literally hung over the door sill. When you stayed in my house here, there were three different guns in the house (I've since had them destroyed). My point, is you're refuting an argument no one is making. Even I have said:
Pesqueeb said:
What I have been talking about is the sort of gun reforms that polling shows the vast majority of Americans support, on both sides of the political spectrum. But we cant even get that, because the gun god demands that we fear. To suggest such heresy is to be labeled a loon. I'm not talking about taking away pappy's shotgun. I'm not talking about Obamas Negro Hordes storming the homes of God fearing heterosexuals to take away the deer season bolt action.
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Pesqueeb said:
I grew up like this, guns went camping, guns were in the house. Dinner table talk sometimes turned around whatever game was in season. Hell, riding the motorcycle and realizing just how many deer there are walking down my own damn street in the middle of suburbia made me want to take deer hunting back up, because the deer population is out of control and they are a pestilence.

But that's not the sort of "gun culture" we're talking about here. Hick-oid cow pasture plinking, duck or deer season, or the shotgun for keeping the fucking raccoons out of the hen house are not the issue. The problem is the sort of mentality that causes a guy to worship a mass murder tool over the lives of kids, people at a night club, or people at a concert. It doesn't matter to them.
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boostindoubles said:
By no means am I trying to defend the wholesale distribution of high capacity military style weapons. I do not own them or plan on owning them. I do not understand the manic fascination with them. It hasn't always been this way. I was a kid when it started, in the early 1990's I think. I don't understand why private citizens stockpile firearms which have a primary function of close quarters human vs human combat.

You have to understand my family has been hunting and fishing and living in the country for many, many generations. We've had firearms by our side for a long time. My concern is that the firearms I use around my farm and while hunting are going to be recklessly outlawed.

For all the effort towards gun control, you'd think we'd also be focused on whats driving people to pick up weapons and attack their peers. I think we could make as much or more progress towards curbing these acts through mental health work. And don't think I am against gun control. We need to prevent bat-shit-crazy, pill-addicted zombie people from purchasing firearms of any kind. Background checks for all firearm purchases, p2p or otherwise is appropriate and necessary. Besides dealing with the guns, we need to deal with the people.
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So you see, we ought be on the same page.
 
Da Peach

Da Peach

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Jul 2, 2002
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Direct weapon liability: If I do not sufficiently control a weapon I own and it is used in a crime, I am fully liable for all crimes committed with it. In other words if i don't lock my shit up and a friend/family member/stranger uses my gun to rob/kill someone, I am just as responsible for the crime as the individual who held the gun.
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Add any accidental killings to that list still likely wouldn’t deter many.
 
boostindoubles

boostindoubles

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kidwoo said:
You obviously don't remember what it's like to be a kid.

You gonna gunsplain some things now?
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They are handy tools to have when you need them. When I was a kid, kids only got shot by accident or in gang war. This new shit is heavy. I think it all started with DOOM and then DUKE NUKEM. Goldeneye for N64 was played hard also. After the GTA series the vids went beyond me and I couldn't hang anymore.
 
mykel

mykel

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From what I remember reading regarding gaming - it is actually the reverse.
Gamers (Violent / FPS etc ) tend to be less violent than non gamers, as they have an outlet for their aggression and bloodlust.
Kind of like a good old action adventure will wring you out and after the cathartic release you tend to be in a better mood.
As well, other countries that have both available weapons and the same violent video games do not suffer the same epidemic of violence.

I was quite surprised at this at first - until I started to think about it - and the AA movie analogy.


I'm not a gamer for what its worth. :butcher::D:D:D:D
 
stevew

stevew

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mykel said:
From what I remember reading regarding gaming - it is actually the reverse.
Gamers (Violent / FPS etc ) tend to be less violent than non gamers, as they have an outlet for their aggression and bloodlust.
Kind of like a good old action adventure will wring you out and after the cathartic release you tend to be in a better mood.
As well, other countries that have both available weapons and the same violent video games do not suffer the same epidemic of violence.

I was quite surprised at this at first - until I started to think about it - and the AA movie analogy.


I'm not a gamer for what its worth. :butcher::D:D:D:D
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i'd just rather kick the shit out of most teenagers parents.
 
boostindoubles

boostindoubles

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mykel said:
No issues with this, however you do not need a high-capacity semi-automatic military style rifle.
That is one of the main issues we be debating.

You going hunting this spring?
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I generally hunt for meat in the fall/winter.

Thats fine the main issue you are debating is the prevalence of military style rifles. Alot of people are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment. It seems like people are more focused on the gun than the mental health of our society. I agree the fever for high capacity guns chambered in .223/5.56 is not normal and a bad sign for our future. I've never had an interest in owning a gun chambered in .223 because whats the purpose besides shooting people? I'd say 95% of what i shoot is .22lr and .22 shorts. I've been looking at pneumatic pellet rifles lately to replace the .22lr since the cost of ammo is going up.
 
rockofullr

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
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The only way to stop a bad baby is a good baby with a gun.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-4-year-old-shoots-7-month-old-baby/ar-BBKBdkJ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

Texas 4-year-old Shoots 7-month-old Baby
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Some high quality stuff in this one. Check out the sign on the house.



According to the story it says

The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 14 hundred feet per second
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Merikuh!!!

And the neighbor's reaction :twitch:. Oh we can't do anything about it. Happens all the time.

My cousin killed accidentally my other cousin. It happens. Accidents happen
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I totally agree. There's nothing that could have been done. That 4 year old would have just torn a gun safe to pieces and then shot that baby any way.
 
Jm_

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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rockofullr said:
The only way to stop a bad baby is a good baby with a gun.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-4-year-old-shoots-7-month-old-baby/ar-BBKBdkJ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp



Some high quality stuff in this one. Check out the sign on the house.



According to the story it says

Merikuh!!!

And the neighbor's reaction :twitch:. Oh we can't do anything about it. Happens all the time.



I totally agree. There's nothing that could have been done. That 4 year old would have just torn a gun safe to pieces and then shot that baby any way.
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When we outlaw guns, only 4 year olds will have guns.
 
rockofullr

rockofullr

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Not surprised. YouTube has a community of people who get significant revenue from their videos and every once and a while they change the entire system on them without warning or explanation and really fuck with people's $$$.

Good way to piss people off.
 
stevew

stevew

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carrying a gun, especially a very utilitarian one, has the bully boy flavor of the ersatz male, the fellow with such hollow sense of inadequacy he has to bolster his sexual ego with a more specific symbol of gonadal prowess. except for those whose job it is to kill folks, having to use a gun is the end product of stupid procedure.
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john d. macdonald
 
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