I'm beginning to think you don't like our Freedom™.
As far as I know it is impossible to commit an act of gun violence if one does not have access to firearms. But this wizard level of logic proves a bit too challenging for some.
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As far as I know it is impossible to commit an act of gun violence if one does not have access to firearms. But this wizard level of logic proves a bit too challenging for some.
Just from a common sense stand point.... I'd have to guess that crazy people are more likely to shoot up the place than normal folks.
But if the article says so then I must be wrong.
But if the article says so then I must be wrong.
Hopefully this link works.
Yesterday the American NRA started to attempt to influence NZ gun laws.
Today this.
FUCK YES!!!!! (and that's coming from me a licensed gun owner)
Fuck you NRA.
Yesterday the American NRA started to attempt to influence NZ gun laws.
Today this.
FUCK YES!!!!! (and that's coming from me a licensed gun owner)
Fuck you NRA.
Thoughts and prayers to the NRA on this day......
in your swift eagerness to deflect blame, did you consider the fact that the shooting occurred in two separate locations, not just one?
Story source too.
2 weeks! (but seriously, that's fricken fast. wow.)
I'm sure his point is that if there had been just one good guy with a gun it could have been stopped much faster...
Or that he needs to be armed to protect himself cause the cops aren't going to make it there in time
Common pro gun arguing points.
And blanket dismissal like you're doing is a common anti-gun point.
Not blanket dismissal. Both points are valid. The second more than the first in this case. It would have been unlikely for any of the people in the mosques to have taken this guy out. They had very little reaction time and were facing a heavily armed opponent. In general I wouldn't want to be in a fire fight with a hand gun against a dude with an AR and a shotgun.
On the second point. I own guns and if you come to my house and try to fuck with me or my people I will shoot you before the police show up.
Rather misleading article you have there.
It was 36 mins from the first call to the police to the suspect being in custody.
Given the gunman was on the move, heavily armed and taken alive that's pretty quick frankly.
out of curiosity i googled the two locations, approximately 12 minutes apart.
Using JK's math, and allowing a few minutes before he was chased off by an unarmed worshiper at 2nd location, he had roughly 15 uncontested minutes at the first mosque.
In an urban center. That's atrocious.
Reluctance to engage directly resulted in higher casualties in Parkland, Vegas and Orlando and is well documented as doing so.
Hmm lets see;
Parkland 1.5 hours
Orlando 3 hours
Las Vagas 1hour 20
And your having a whine about 15mins in NZ where the threat environment is generally a faction of yours?
Also can you point out exactly where the "reluctance to engage" was?
Parkland 1.5 hours
Orlando 3 hours
Las Vagas 1hour 20
And your having a whine about 15mins in NZ where the threat environment is generally a faction of yours?
Also can you point out exactly where the "reluctance to engage" was?
Do you mean to imply that Russia Today might be misleading people?
.I want one, just ONE, gun "rights" group to come out and advocate for arming Muslims and/or Imams.
There are no religious or ethnic restrictions in the second amendment or in any gun laws in the US. Despite their personal views, anyone advocating for gun rights is advocating for gun right for Muslims.
I can history. I am well aware of the relationship between white racial fear and gun control.
The NRA essentially started as a marksmanship club. In 1934 the NRA backed the first gun control law in the US. It wasn't until the 70s and 80s that the NRA morphed into the quasi political right wing mess that it is today.
And surely, any minute now, someone with that organization will suggest arming Imams in the same manner that they suggest arming teachers and preachers after every school or protestant church shooting?
<waits patiently>
The myth that pro-gun people are just pro-white male Christians is stale. Our club and local 2a legal organizations are huge proponents of strength through diversity.
In addition to youth programs we support the Pink Pistols (LBGTQXYZ), Black Guns Matter (look up Maj Toure) and women’s groups.
Religion wise Jews tend to be the most rabid 2a defenders, understandably. Can’t say I’ve come across a Muslim looking to shoot (recreationally, lol) but I’ll take anyone to the range with me and invite anti’s every occasion I get. Conversion rate 100%.
In addition to youth programs we support the Pink Pistols (LBGTQXYZ), Black Guns Matter (look up Maj Toure) and women’s groups.
Religion wise Jews tend to be the most rabid 2a defenders, understandably. Can’t say I’ve come across a Muslim looking to shoot (recreationally, lol) but I’ll take anyone to the range with me and invite anti’s every occasion I get. Conversion rate 100%.
Reluctance to engage was referencing US events. In the events I listed cops were on scene almost immediately yet waited to engage.
Regarding NZ, I believe officers have ARs (bushmasters iirc) and handguns in vehicles. They weren’t outgunned at any time, especially if not solo.
You’re always one of the first to pile on the US when there’s a shooting. You know where a mosque hasn’t been shot up (yet)? The US, so enjoy that footnote in NZ history.
The fact that the shooter made it to another location, let alone planned on three, is kind of telling regarding the response he expected don’t you think?
How inclusive! Then you should definitely suggest to your club that they reach out to the local Muslim community. Advertise it in the newspaper, maybe. Post that shit on FB, yo!
Praise Allah. Will I be stoned to death for my gun destroying apostasy?
Yeah. We only shoot up synagogues. and Churches. And schools. And Night Clubs. And Cafeterias. And Colleges. And Naval Shipyards. And Planned Parenthood (COS represent!). And Movie theaters. And Army Bases. And Malls. And freeways. USA #1!
The clear planning of a rational actor!
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You left out Sikh Temples. Not mooselamb, but...
Ooooh on the scene immediately!
Well that would require officers to be in the immediate vicinity.... In the case of Vagas, large concert beside a casino.... both of those locations would have had a police or armed security (in the casinos case) presence on hand within a few hundred meters.
Parkland you had armed officers on site.... Transit time 0 mins
Oakland ok on this one no idea, but I'm guessing officers within a 1km radius.
In the case of Linwood a quiet leafy suburb that would normally have little to no police presence, that means shifting units in... again 15 min's isn't that unexpected.
NZ has a pretty responsive to complaint police force & a public that is well trained to expect the police to do as asked (very much the opposite to yours), if this was thought to be a shit response Kiwi's would have been all over it by now.
While we are generally quiet and undemanding people, when it comes to public service we tend to get shitty fast if the public service is seen to be poor.
Yes very telling of the expected response.
Planned on 3, which means that he knew staying in the one location was game over very quickly.....or shoot & scoot to use a different name for that tactic.
My mistake. Those were just the ones i could remember off the top of my head. I mean really, who can keep track of all that freedom?
You also missed a whole heap of "going postal's"
I recon the Black panthers should resurrect that black people with guns and double down with a push to get black people joining the police force.
Just picture the freakout at the thought of a black dominated police and blacks wandering around with guns.
Just picture the freakout at the thought of a black dominated police and blacks wandering around with guns.
Freedom©?
Fuck that's sad. 
Shades of the Chuck Palahniuk book "Survivor"