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Jm_

Turbo Monkey
Jan 14, 2002
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Don't even bring up that studies have linked rates of violence with access to weapons, independent of other factors. Basic idea: Yes, there are some crazy people out there. Trying to go and weed out all the crazy people is far more challenging and impossible compared to limiting access to weapons of death. People just "flip" with no warning/precursors.

Unless you force the entire population to go for "mental health evaluations"....

And GNR "Civil War" is playing on my mix right now...seems fitting.
 

boostindoubles

Nacho Libre
Mar 16, 2004
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Washington is passing laws that require firearms safety classes before the purchase of semi-auto rifles. Annually. It will cut down on the purchase of firearms.

I understand the call for more gun control. When the guns are gone, how do we stop people from using cars to mow down crowds?

How do we address the massive populations of mentally ill, ignorant, and poorly fed americans? How many of these mouth-breathing fucks are there sitting in their parents basements playing first person shooter video games?

What the hell happened to the American Dream?
 

Jm_

Turbo Monkey
Jan 14, 2002
9,150
1,553
AK
Washington is passing laws that require firearms safety classes before the purchase of semi-auto rifles. Annually. It will cut down on the purchase of firearms.

I understand the call for more gun control. When the guns are gone, how do we stop people from using cars to mow down crowds?

How do we address the massive populations of mentally ill, ignorant, and poorly fed americans? How many of these mouth-breathing fucks are there sitting in their parents basements playing first person shooter video games?

What the hell happened to the American Dream?
We won’t stop it, science tells us it will happen at far less rates/severity when the barriers are greater.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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Don't even bring up that studies have linked rates of violence with access to weapons, independent of other factors.
Of course. Just like access to alcohol increases rates of alcohol abuse.

Here’s the result of Secret Service studies on mass attacks.

Most recently, in July 2019, the U.S. Secret Service released its report “Mass Attacks in Public Spaces—2018.” The report covered 27 attacks that resulted in 91 deaths and 107 injuries. The investigators found that 67% of the suspects displayed symptoms of mental illness or emotional disturbance. In 93% of the incidents, the authorities found that the suspects had a history of threats or other troubling communications. The results were similar to those of another study published by the Secret Service on 28 such attacks in 2017.

But we’re not allowed to talk about mental illness because it will hurt people’s feelings and paints a dangerous disability in an uncomfortable light. No let’s allow these assholes to remain in school and pretend a stern talk from the principal will fix what in most cases even a medical professional cannot.

Which is ironic because politely ignoring the problem simply furthers the stigma and prevents any progress on mental health, gun related or not.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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We won’t stop it, science tells us it will happen at far less rates/severity when the barriers are greater.
Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2017.

This during the same period gun sales exploded, the AWB expired, concealed carry permits increases exponentially and 16 states have Constitutional Carry laws requiring no permits.

Gun homicides been declining during this period (increasing slightly lately) with suicide (mental health?) responsible for most ‘gun violence’.

The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.
That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010.
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
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dan-o

Turbo Monkey
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Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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Useful for the visualization of kinds of guns. 9 mm semi-auto handguns are the most used in mass shootings. Also note this re legality:
"It does not include shootings tied to gang disputes"
Kinda of an important oversight considering most gun homicides involve gang-aged young men, most of which cannot legally buy a handgun (21 Fed law).

Mayor Bill De Blasio, returning to the city from the campaign trail, addressed the Brownsville shooting in a press conference. He declined to call the incident a mass shooting in his remarks, saying, “I am only going to say that that phrase is usually reserved for a different type of situation than what I know this to be so far.” The NYPD has confirmed no motive for the shooting, though news reports suggest a dispute between possible gang members.

12 people shot, 1 killed.
No media coverage.
domestic terrorists hur dur
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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I don’t disagree with them excluding gang disputes. Those are arguably not random acts. It’s the chance of being attacked randomly (no matter how minute in terms of the actual stats) that gets peoples’ attention, at least non-black peoples’ attention.
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
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behind you, don't wait up.
52 shot and 7 killed in the old neighborhood this past weekend, including 17 in a two hour period.
year to date: 1600 shot, 300 homicides (not all gun violence)

This selective focus on 'mass shootings and terrorism' is ridiculous to my perspective.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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Like opioids, guns only became an issue when it hit suburbia.

@Toshi if we want to play selective game let’s remove suicide and gang related homicide.
Poof! Things aren’t so bad!
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding the baggage carousel.

Useful for the visualization of kinds of guns. 9 mm semi-auto handguns are the most used in mass shootings. Also note this re legality:
12 people shot, 1 killed.
No media coverage.
domestic terrorists hur dur
52 shot and 7 killed in the old neighborhood this past weekend, including 17 in a two hour period.
year to date: 1600 shot, 300 homicides (not all gun violence)
This selective focus on 'mass shootings and terrorism' is ridiculous to my perspective.
Huh.

It's almost as if there might be some sort of common denominator.
if we want to play selective game let’s remove suicide and gang related homicide.
Poof! Things aren’t so bad!
Now suicides count?