Gun Control
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[devil's advocate]
do you think the shooter in the TX church would have killed more parishioners had he not been shot by the guard?
Perhaps, though I won't pretend to understand the thinking of a guy who opens fire on people at sunday worship. Something that has happened here. Either way, nothing says "texas" more than a shootout during communion. "This is my blood, given for thee, when you pry it from my cold DEAD HANDS!". Seems safest to just not go to church. Maybe churches just need more thoughts and prayers?
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Maybe, in a crowded room or at close quarters it can be easier to disarm someone hand to hand. Throw a bible at his face and then go for the weapon/disable them. Plus they had a shotgun, not the most efficient for killing a bunch of people fast. The idea that less people get shot when there are more guns is fucking insane.
Yes. Thank you for confirming what I just said when you quoted me.
I just dont think you fully understand how ridiculously dumb/stupid that whole situation is..
Dude. I agree with you.
The fact is America is FULL of guns, and this is a horrible event that, like it or not, could have been more horrible. Two wrongs don't make any right, but I for one am glad somebody killed the shooter before he shot more church-goers.
I had already deleted my caps cause it looked rude and I didnt mean it like that. 
But yes the US is full of guns. And the only thing people are doing about it is adding more of them.
Its litterally the dumbest thing you can do and it is only gonna make things worse.
But yeah I guess its a small price to pay for a lot of people there who want to shoot guns.
Although a believe its a minority these days, the NRA will make sure their voices are heard.
And its incidents like this one and the people that use it as an example that will confirm the silly id that adding more guns is somehow gonna save you.
But yes the US is full of guns. And the only thing people are doing about it is adding more of them.
Its litterally the dumbest thing you can do and it is only gonna make things worse.
But yeah I guess its a small price to pay for a lot of people there who want to shoot guns.
Although a believe its a minority these days, the NRA will make sure their voices are heard.
And its incidents like this one and the people that use it as an example that will confirm the silly id that adding more guns is somehow gonna save you.
I dont know if you did this on purpose or not, but please don't change it.
Voices from a circular firing squad, these days.
He was part of a security squad, former military, and iirc, volunteer deputy. He's not just a "citizen with a gun".
what's your point? that he was trained?
I'm not sure about the "security squad", but the article I read stated he was a gun-range owner and gun trainer. Highly trained/practiced. That's his life evidently, practicing shooting. Great if you are that proficient, but I like to do other things, like ride bikes. Living in fear, we could all practice hours a day with guns too. Utopia?
He's being touted as "an armed citizen stoping crime". He's a complete outlier as someone who knows how to handle a situation like that, is accurate, and properly trained. Most people are realistically not able to handle that type of situation, not having the training and accuracy to end it that quickly.
What he did was amazing; it's a really good thing he was there. But take into consideration why does a person feel they need an armed security squad at a church?
Out of curiosity, what percentage of criminal shooters are 'properly trained'?
How many rounds per year do you think the average police officer shoots?
As for your last question, why do we need armed security anywhere?
To the last question: In general, "armed security" offers more risk than reward.
I generally agree with you and am not of the 'more guns in public, the better' crowd, though I just bought another carry gun yesterday.
When people say they don't understand why armed security is needed at X (churches, schools, movie theaters, festivals) but are OK with it at Y (banks, jewelry stores, for 'important' people) I'm just curious as to why.
In any event, it's been entertaining watching both sides using/perverting the TX shooting to suit their agendas.
I'd guess that 100% of the gun owners I know shoot often & are proficient. I have active police friends who don't shoot as often as I do by a large margin.
@stoney 's comment about the church guard being a complete outlier surprised me. Based on my own experience people like him are not the exception but the rule.
@stoney 's comment about the church guard being a complete outlier surprised me. Based on my own experience people like him are not the exception but the rule.
what did you get?
Well that settles it.
Local BoA branch 1 mile from my house: armed guard
Luxury jewelers/retailers in Boston: armed guards
Movie theater at mall: armed guards and/or cops.
Moar Freedums, duh.
Hmmm, well that’s not the case in the South.
That's my experience too.
I know cops who shoot under 100rds/yr, basically the minimum to qualify.
Last time I took my sons shooting they blew threw 1k by themselves lol.
Picked up at p365.
You fall under enthusiast crowd though...
As for PD, last time I went shooting, which was a long time ago, we got into a game of target with four SF-area PD officers. I don't shoot, or at least haven't regularly since I was probably 15/16. Out to 20yds with the hand gun I was more accurate and with the rifle I was more accurate at all distances. Skeet shooting at a friend's vineyard in Sonoma was the same. I have very little confidence in the accuracy of most PD...
The people I have interacted with in GA, FL, and ID (all family locations) churches were more confidence than competency. The only person I ever met who met the classification you are referring to (bible thumper/gun guy, but enthusiast), and the guy I learned to shoot from, was a competitive shooter.
New Year's Day Gun Violence Claims 177 Lives as 2020 Begins
Suicides, mass shootings, murders and celebratory gunfire were among the reasons dozens of people lost their lives on the first day of the new decade, data shows.
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psshh so whatNew Year's Day Gun Violence Claims 177 Lives as 2020 Begins
Suicides, mass shootings, murders and celebratory gunfire were among the reasons dozens of people lost their lives on the first day of the new decade, data shows.
good guy with a gun just got a point
His points count as 100.
Oh wait that still doesn't add up.
Okay new rules, good guy with a gun point counts as 200 points.
because good guy with a gun? If not, good guy with a gun. So nyeah
Emotion > Rationale
@Kevin I recently saw a headline that some states are considering creating safe places for guns. Seriously.
Our elected officials were quite swift in taking action to address the vaping/lung disease/teen smoking issue. But when it comes to protecting children from guns, they shrug their shoulders and proclaim that nothing can be done. Only in this country, guns are placed above the lives of children. Sandy Hook was the point of no return. Fuck yeah ‘Murica.
Our elected officials were quite swift in taking action to address the vaping/lung disease/teen smoking issue. But when it comes to protecting children from guns, they shrug their shoulders and proclaim that nothing can be done. Only in this country, guns are placed above the lives of children. Sandy Hook was the point of no return. Fuck yeah ‘Murica.
You have a solid grasp of what drives gun control legislation.
There are already myriad laws in place to limit the TX shooters access to guns. As criminals everywhere show, laws don’t apply to them.
Emotion calls for more laws which don’t address the demographic causing harm.
This guy, like most responsible for gun violence (50% of those arrested in DC on weapons related charges have previous gun violations), shouldn’t be walking the streets among us given his history.
You can thank another emotional response for that. #justicereform
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Springfield mayor raps legal system after suspects arrested with AR-15
Three of the five people charged with possessing an illegal AR-15 rifle were out on bail awaiting trial in other cases — and two of them were wearing electronic monitors.
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Herbert Lawrence Block, commonly known as Herblock
so what's everybody's take on the protests and regulations going on in virginia? I try and stay away from gun chats because I have my strong opinions and others have theirs, but I'm wondering if this is the Dems giving the GOP their just deserts for the past years of monopolizing governments in all three branches and gerrymandering at every chance they got, or if they are truly overstepping their bounds. It sounds a lot to me like the inverse of all the anti-abortion nonsense happening in the south
Duly elected officials do job. People who don't like it protest peacefully. Tempest in a teapot bullshit. See you at the ballot box if you really don't like it.
