Gun Control
i love how its all for .22's 
.22 /= .22-250
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/At-Least-Seven-Hurt-in-Drive-By-Shooting-in-Northwest-DC-196827841.html
don't worry MSM; no white kids were ever in danger
don't worry MSM; no white kids were ever in danger
no outrage...forgot...election is over...
Damn you Marion Barry!!!!
I was saying that in spite of all of the urban problems, gun violence rates are still higher in AK, MT and WY than they are in CA, IL and MD.
Way to go my redneck brethren. It appears there is nothing you cannot achieve in your need to over compensate.
you can't do that.
you can't use statewide data in an attempt to disprove an urban issue
that's apples to watermelons
I'm not trying to disprove the urban issues. My point is that a thousand candles of idiocy still somehow shine brighter, or something like that.
Pine Bluff AR had 18 murders in 2012, with a population of 49,000. Compare that to Detriot, 54 per 100,000, and NO, 53 per 100,000.
49,000 may not seem "urban" or a big city, but if you've been to PB you know it's urban........
49,000 may not seem "urban" or a big city, but if you've been to PB you know it's urban........
you sure those aren't muzzle flashes?
Had a situation a couple of years ago. Live in a nice neighborhood in Maryland with great schools.
Kid next door, 18 I believe, decided to beat the living sh*t out of his girlfriend by banging her head into the driveway. It stopped when my other next door neighbor and myself interceded. Said punk then threatened both of us with coming back to our houses that night and putting a cap in our ass. My wife and two kids were standing there hearing this. I know we all slept better that night knowing the police were just a phone call away. Probably 5 to 7 minutes away. Plenty of time to stop a jackass from shooing up my family and me.
Kid next door, 18 I believe, decided to beat the living sh*t out of his girlfriend by banging her head into the driveway. It stopped when my other next door neighbor and myself interceded. Said punk then threatened both of us with coming back to our houses that night and putting a cap in our ass. My wife and two kids were standing there hearing this. I know we all slept better that night knowing the police were just a phone call away. Probably 5 to 7 minutes away. Plenty of time to stop a jackass from shooing up my family and me.
The lesson from that story is very profound.
Thank you for sharing it.
You've really opened my eyes.
Thank you for sharing it.
You've really opened my eyes.
So you knowingly kept your family in a dangerous situation that could have erupted in violence at any moment, placing all of them at risk of being in the middle of a shootout between you and an unknown number of assailants armed with guns? Really? Or rather, if you had known for a FACT that the kid was coming back that night, would you have done anything differently? Would you have still let your family go to sleep knowing that there was going to be an intruder with a gun entering your house at some point?
Or would you have a) called police and b) gotten a hotel room for the night?
Couple of things.....
Great that you stopped him beating his GF up but why didn't you set the cops on him for doing it?
Also perhaps your local laws are different but round here the cops would have arrested him and on that charge kept him in jail until trial for his threatening statement and confiscated all weapons from his house (regardless of who owned them).
Great that you stopped him beating his GF up but why didn't you set the cops on him for doing it?
Also perhaps your local laws are different but round here the cops would have arrested him and on that charge kept him in jail until trial for his threatening statement and confiscated all weapons from his house (regardless of who owned them).
Nate woulda just flashed his piece. It's a Derringer I believe.
i know it's 20/20 now, but perhaps you should have put him on notice if he did that, you'd shoot his girlfriend.
And got a restraining order so the 18yo had to move out of his parent's house because he couldn't be within 1000' of you... right?
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buncha pussies
I think GOA is one of the better ones. Dante proved they have their share of bull****, but so does any private interest group. Do you think oil, chemical, pharma, military, auto or any other large industry doesn't hide all the ways people are hurt by their products? I do like the GOA fact page full references. http://gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm I'm sure the stats are skewed their way, but at least it is based on something we can debate instead of low IQ emotional arguments.
Yes Dante, I feel lied to by the media and gov't. Why, I already stated some, but will reiterate.
1. The manufactured illusion that assault rifles are automatic. Most people I know who don't shoot think they are fully automatic.
2. Assualt rifles kill a lot of people. We already semi agreed on this.
3. gun crimes are going up. The data shows it's not, so why is the gov't and media slapping it in my face more than previous years?? TO manufacture consent of taking away rights from law abiding americans.
4. Britain and gunless countries are safer. They are not.
5. Gun owners are more likely to commmit suicide. I have already provided references for soldire suicides, which account for many gun suicides. Maybe media and politicians should focus on limiting our troops to kill and be killed in illegal wars for oil and gold? Plus suicide rate is the same for britain and US.
6. Gun stats are always twisted to include suicides in the media and Obama (we've lost over 1000 victims to gun violence this month in his state of union). Why doesn't he say over half of that is soldiers committing suicide for the wars he and bush cause? Plus, police shooting are also included in those statistics, most would still happen and either way they inflate the number for the perception bad people kill more with guns.
7. Assualt rifle was used in Sandy Hook. Some say it was, some say it wasn't . I watched the entire interview w/the coroner and he said it was "used" but wouldn't say the caliber of bullets pulled out. Which makes me think they are saying it was "used" because it was at the scene and not actually "Fired".
8. Holmes did not go to the nearest movie theater in CO to shoot people, there were 2 closer. He was to the theater that was advertised as gun-free zone.
9. Holmes was not photographed until the day of his first hearing, why was that? Now they want to give him a truth serum. OUR GOV'T WANTS TO FORCEFULLY INJECT A CHEMICAL INTO A PERSON WHO IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I am not a conspiracy guy, but it does look suspicious and make me want to learn more about MK Ultra http://abcnews.go.com/US/truth-serum-draws-skepticism-case-accused-aurora-shooter/story?id=18717816
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/12/judge-approves-truth-serum-james-holmes
10. The gov't knows how to track everything everywhere, yet they let drugs and gun run rampant. some say the CiA actually controls the top and bring in black ops money that way- not sure if I'm sold on that, but the gov't definitly does shaddy **** and want to make guns look bad. THey let the guns go to criminals many times.http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/17/nation/la-na-cartel-guns-20110717
I don't even shoot. I have only 1 gun, but I support most of the gun freedoms we have now and am not against assault rifles. And although those of use who support gun freedoms are holding off change, make no mistake they will be taken away in a few generations because of the programing of youth, media pressure and any other reason any of you who hate guns have. I'll let you guys get in the last words b/c I don't have the time and energy for these debates. Most people believe what they want on this topic, just like religion. I have become kind of passionate about it because I for one have always been anti gun, until I had a family, house in the country and realized how manipulated we are by the few who control the media and our own govn't.
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Bull****, the UK violent crime rate would have to go up 5 fold to equal the US and that's using the US stats which don't count all violent crime:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255668&p=3869268&viewfull=1#post3869268
The only comparable industrial nations when it comes to violent crime are gun filled Mexico and Estonia. That's it. Japan is gunless and far less violent despite all of their violent movies and video games too:
http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/
And gun suicide is a significantly larger problem. Their lives matter just as much as anyone else's. Certainly matter more than your right to unrestricted gun ownership. Suicide impulse is transient which is why ease of access to guns make the problem significant worse than it could be (see Israel where newer rules that prevent soldiers from taking their guns home on the week have significantly cut suicides).
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You are so caught up in your emotional arguments and agenda that you don't even read my posts. Britain has 4X more voilent crime, NOT GUN CRIME, violent crime. Go back and read my posts. Here is another article to support it.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
You are happy in the country that you live in, and I am happy in the country I live in. So why do you care so much? You are entitled to your opinion, but since you do not live here you must forgive me if you think your visits and perception make me take you seriously.
You statement on suicide is such an emotional mess by trying to imply any emotion on my part that soldier suicides are less important. You miss the two points entirely, which is illegal wars are killing more people and creating more debt than this gun issue and should be talked about more- but never is because the rich and corporations making a mint off killing 3rd world countries for their assets. The other one is that statistically we have the same suicide rate as Britain, go back and read my post. " suice rate of the US (11.8 according to this http://statehealthfacts.org/profileind.jsp?ind=667&cat=2&rgn=1) and UK (11.8 according to this http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/22/suicide-numbers-rise-men) and they are relatively equal even though there are 19K gun suicides in this country."
Japan, really?? Do we anything similar to Japan in terms of economic households, education, history and their total lack of an army. Violent games and movies are joke- most people and kids know they don't really promote voilence. Japan doesn't have any army, WE FIGHT FOR ALMOST EVERYONE. So don't go preaching about other countries when 1 you are wrong and 2 you and every other country are okay with use killing people for you and your corporations.
Your "violence" graph is nothing more than a gun death graph combined with other mechanisms. SO of course we have higher deaths because we have more guns, but we have less overall violence- assaults. So I rather risk death by gun (since I'm not a gang member) and keep my gun for defense, than loose my gun and risk my house getting invaded, myself getting beat to sh!t or my wife getting raped. Thought you were smarter than this, but seems like you are either jealous or have some political agenda.
So Dante and Sydasti and anyone else here, there is large piece of this emotional mess missing. I have stated why and how I have become so pro gun, but no one else has defined why and how they have thier views. I am very interested in why Dante and Sydasti are so anti guns and where you are from, sincerely.
Spintek:
NJ is one of the original 13 colonies, about 20 years older than PA and I have an ancestor on the Mayflower so unless you are a Native American what are you talking about?
Attacking a person's background rather than their argument shows you are guilty of being emotional, so thanks for the help.
Your article on the UK crime is a bogus cherry picked nonsense:
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20549515/do-guns-stop-violence-the-us-has-more-rapes-and-murders-than-uk
Here is more debunking:
http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
NJ is one of the original 13 colonies, about 20 years older than PA and I have an ancestor on the Mayflower so unless you are a Native American what are you talking about?
Attacking a person's background rather than their argument shows you are guilty of being emotional, so thanks for the help.
Your article on the UK crime is a bogus cherry picked nonsense:
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20549515/do-guns-stop-violence-the-us-has-more-rapes-and-murders-than-uk
Here is more debunking:
http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
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You did not answer my question. Why are you so anti gun? I'm not attacking your background because you have not given it. Seek to understand before being understood, so I'd like to know why you feel that way. I do like that you use data and cite articles.
You did not offer once ounce of statistics or cite materials to make me scared of anything. I agree that our country is the hammer for our global corporate owners and we fight for their investments, so you really prove my point that the killing over that mess is more important than a gun issue with lowering crime/homicide statistics. Our freedom fighting has only ruined our global reputations, put us in debt and kill countless- so you are preaching to the choir on that one. The point I make is our gov't wants us to be fighters, create a disfunctional society when people get home w/little employment and then wants us to live w/out weapons so we are at the mercy of the strongest while 911 gets our information.
I never said because you don't live you here you can have an opinion- I just have the right to not take it seriously. So why are you so anti gun?
Since when did pro regulation become anti gun? We let the government regulate many things food, medicine, there are even limits on speech. Seems to me the emotions are taking over when you assume that someone who advocates for regulation is anti gun.
Interestingly enough, Japan does have a military, the Self Defense Force. They were in Iraq and take part in a varied capacities in many different conflicts. While no other countries military is on par with ours, it is failed logic to think they have none.
Interestingly enough, Japan does have a military, the Self Defense Force. They were in Iraq and take part in a varied capacities in many different conflicts. While no other countries military is on par with ours, it is failed logic to think they have none.
The gun lobby and the fools who parrot their line will say that gun laws make no sense because you can't stop all gun crimes. That as stupid as saying we should live in a lawless society because you can't stop all crimes. Its like arguing with infantile children.
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I will concede that Japan does have a limited military- thanks for teaching me that. The point I wanted to make is that no other country is as violent as we are on the war front, which the "allies" who whomever like.So the gov't and world leaders encourage US citizens to train,send their sons and daughters to fight. We create a pro war agenda in our schools and college campuses. They did it with my generation during the gulf war. Then people want to compare us to wealthier countries, with better education and no real war agenda in terms of violence. It's like comparing apples to oranges- just think about all the families torn apart by war and poverty in this country verses others. If you wanted a totally bias pro gun stat, just look at violence in the state of UTah- more guns and lower crime than anywhere. And the limits on free speech are a dangerous slope beyond the scope of this thread, but if you make a vague statement that could be "terroristic", you may be locked-up w/out charge or trial and held indefinitely in theory, right.
The main point I'm trying to convey to moderates is I think it's suspicious that since gun violence and homicides have never been lower, and since assault rifles kill very few people, that the media and gov't is trying to push harder for gun controls than ever. I have also explained several times how/why I have become pro gun. I'm not really anti gun control, but I don't trust the people pushing right now either.
I like how dante own's his position and seems anti gun to the core. Sydasti has the right to call anyone who disagrees with him a child, but he has yet to state how and why he feels that way- are you merely pro gun control sydasti or do you want them banned?
Kevin, I lied. I am scared. I'm scared of loosing more rights. I'm scared of a total ban and collection of guns so guys like me who live in the country between two drug/gang loaded cities will become easy pickings for home invasions and crimes. I'm scared that people who enjoy shooting and hunting responsibly will become felons in the eyes of the state. I'm scared that people who want guns will always be able to buy or make them and and honest people will be at their mercy. Most of all I'm scared that the media/wealthy/gov't will convince the younger generations that it is better to feel safe and loose freedoms than to weigh the history/statistics/facts and live with more rights. I was taught the first rule of political science is that powers that be will push you as much as you comply. The more you give, the more they will take.......in the name of crown, I mean safety/security. Kevin, do you have kids and why do you think this thread is a "train wreck", - why do you feel the way that you do?
After reading your stuff, I am scared of your grammar, syntax and punctuation skills. Or more honestly, the lack thereof or disregard for same.
Your slippery slope argument regarding "loosing" more rights has a long and lame history with the pro gun crowd. Tell me, just which Constitutionally guaranteed rights that you have lost to date? What other ones do you fear losing?
i´d rather hammer my balls with a meat tenderized, than argue with gun nuts.