[norbar]

I've only read the first page of this thread, and it seems that the consensus is the government is to blame; specifically Obama. Obama could not be blamed for this or any level of government in the US because this tragedy was unforeseen and could not have been prevented by any person or law, but his mother. Adam Lanza had mental issues that his mother struggled with and she did try to seek help. She had no idea her son was going commit such an act of terrorism. http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother Newton,

"Oh, and Fvck Obama for being such a pvssy. Today is exactly the right day to start talking about this like adults." If you haven't noticed, our culture practices grieving and mourning over deaths. To disturb that period with belligerent argument and speak of guns would be rather rude to those mourning and grieving. I understand your reactionary statements, but your suggestions would only make the victims feel worse. Have sympathy.

However, the debate over gun control is not one for me to take part in. But I will say that it was Adam Lanza's mother who Adam obtained the guns from. Will we start asking everyone who wants to buy a gun if they have crazy kin? Also, guns serve no other purpose than to kill whether it be animals or humans. Putting restrictions on guns won't make them any less dangerous.

Really what this debate comes down to is the culture of fear in America. Everyone is constantly afraid something terrible is going to happen, which is why we are debating over how many laws we can get the government to implement to make us safe. Laws are made by humans and they can be broken by humans. Laws are a mental concept. Tragedies like this will continue to happen in America because we are so afraid of reoccurring tragedies and crazy people see this as an opportunity to really scare everyone. So what do we do? In my opinion, we just continue to live our lives.

Obama or any government could not have prevented the specific tragedy but lowering the number of guns would lower the PROBABILITY of that event happening. The same way as wearing a seatbelt won't save everyone in every case of car crash but in increases the probability of survival.


Also the "let's live our lives" idea is silly. Something is wrong and instead of trying to prevent it or repair it you just sa we should go along and say "hey people shoot people, live with it" ? With that attitude we would still be in the stone age. I'm sure some peeps thought it was ok then and nothing should be changed.

The current US population is 311,591,917. You get that many idiots living together and some unfortunate, bad things will happen. In my opinion, the ONLY way to stop violence like this is for someone to cap the killer before he kills 20+ unarmed, innocent people. Just think about how this story would be if he was stopped before victim 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or so on. Don't you think every single family would have wished someone there could have stopped this? I would.

Yeah. Solve the gun problem with more guns. If there will be more gun violence in schools we should have even more guns... More is always the solution to a problem

 

[profro]

how quickly you forget...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

2 killed and 7 injured vs. 27 dead...

which do you prefer?

If some one is sick enough to premeditate a killing spree, not having legal access to a weapon won't stop them. You are a fool to think otherwise.

More examples...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Middle_School_dance_shooting

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,43254,00.html

 

[syadasti]

If some one is sick enough to premeditate a killing spree, not having access to a weapon won't stop them. You are a fool to think otherwise.

Except the real numbers do not agree with your delusional thinking. More guns result in more homicide, the peer reviewed facts are clear.

 

[Kevin]

The current US population is 311,591,917. You get that many idiots living together and some unfortunate, bad things will happen. In my opinion, the ONLY way to stop violence like this is for someone to cap the killer before he kills 20+ unarmed, innocent people. Just think about how this story would be if he was stopped before victim 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or so on. Don't you think every single family would have wished someone there could have stopped this? I would.

Yeah if only someone on the scene had a gun to shoot the killer...

**** you people are retarted...

 

[kidwoo]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,43254,00.html

Two trained dudes with zero guns tackle a guy who puts his gun down on his own accord? That applies how?


What happens in the mall in oregon a week ago when two or three or four people with firearms take justice into their own hands? They hear shots. They grab their pistols. Who do they subdue? Shoot the first guy they see with a pistol? Is that the guy who started the mess or someone else doing the exact same thing they are.......trying to put an end to it? Think this through. It's great the two guys in your examples could easily identify the perp but don't you remember the guy in arizona at the giffords shooting who ran outside with his pistol? He stayed hidden because he couldn't figure out what was going on. What if one of gifford's aides or someone else had a pistol drawn pointed at loughner?

One or two successes doesn't negate the very real probability of the other likely outcome. Public places turning into the OK corral is NOT a good idea.

 

[profro]

Two trained dudes with zero guns tackle a guy who puts his gun down on his own accord? That applies how?

You don't read too well?? Paragraph 12 I think...

Bridges and Besen, a former police officer from Wilmington, N.C., crept down a back stairwell to the parking lot, and Bridges got his gun out of the car.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,43254,00.html#ixzz2FKZqt01B

 

[Beef Supreme]

Yeah if only someone on the scene had a gun to shoot the killer...

**** you people are retarted...

It really is the dumbest of all the pro gun arguments. 61 mass incidents and this mythical gun toting hero hasn't shown up yet. Of course, it did almost happen the time some guy nearly shot the person who had wrestled the gun away from the shooter.

But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "

But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

Zamudio agreed:

I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. … I was really lucky.

 

[syadasti]

More guns not only result in more murder, they also result in more suicides. Only the delusional would push for more access to guns:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/mythbusting-israel-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/

EK: As I understand it, there’s a stronger link between guns and suicide than between guns and homicide. And one of the really interesting parts of your paper is your recounting of the Israeli military’s effort to cut suicides among soldiers by restricting access to guns.
JR: Yes, it’s very striking. In Israel, it used to be that all soldiers would take the guns home with them. Now they have to leave them on base. Over the years they’ve done this — it began, I think, in 2006 — there’s been a 60 percent decrease in suicide on weekends among IDS soldiers. And it did not correspond to an increase in weekday suicide. People think suicide is an impulse that exists and builds. This shows that doesn’t happen. The impulse to suicide is transitory. Someone with access to a gun at that moment may commit suicide, but if not, they may not.

 

[kidwoo]

You don't read too well?? Paragraph 12 I think...

Guess not. My bad. The guy still put his damn gun down all by his own wittle self. Not real clear on how grabbing the gun changed the outcome in any way shape or form.


Still.........how many people do you want in a public place with guns drawn trying to figure out who to shoot?

 

[mattmatt86]

Still.........how many people do you want in a public place with guns drawn trying to figure out who to shoot?

People already kill each other on black Friday every year without guns. Imagine if everyone fighting for that Furbee was packin heat...

 

[kidwoo]

I'm buying a solar and wind powered ranch with a moat.

This country is fvcking nuts.

 

[SlapheadMofo]

Too many morons with too much firepower.

"Why do you need a large capacity semi-automatic weapon?"
"Cuz I think they're cool" is the only honest answer.

People need to start acting like grown-ups and realize that there are more important things in life than playing with their toys. There's nothing any reasonable person could ever need a firearm for that can't be accomplished without giving any random meathead the ability to wipe out a few dozen people in a minutes if they happen to have a bad day or if some nut happens to make off with their toy.

Exactly how much penetrating power is needed to get through a sheet of paper? How many times to you have to plug a deer to drop it? Is a revolver or shotgun really not adequate for home defense?

And comparing 'assualt weapons' to cars is silly. Unless of course someone takes a car and mounts giant spikes, armor and explosive devices that go off on impact all over it. That way, if they do get in an accident, they can cause the most damage possible to everyone around them. And the government will be more likey to kidnap the guy in the Honda.

 

[MMike]

....and this isn't even a case of "well we need to agree to disagree".

Little kids are getting slaughtered because of the idiotic policies on firearms.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Brown kids, not nearly as important as white kids.

 

[syadasti]

Brown kids, not nearly as important as white kids.

OT - or in general - Bopha way worse than Sandy, no mainstream coverage, no concerts, etc

 

[kidwoo]

OT - or in general - Bopha way worse than Sandy, no mainstream coverage, no concerts, etc

If each of those people had their own typhoon, things would have turned out differently.

 

[mattmatt86]

If each of those people had their own typhoon, things would have turned out differently.

Someone hit Woo with some Rep for me.

 

[stevew]

If each of those people had their own typhoon, things would have turned out differently.

was that the week of the fiscal cliff or benghazi?

 

[syadasti]

was that the week of the fiscal cliff or benghazi?

No, that was 30 years ago when Reagan let hundreds get massacred and nobody cared he did nothing (unlike the "cowardly" French)...

Or maybe you meant that time Powell lied in front of the world for Bush so we could kill over a hundred thousand people and waste trillions for nothing...

 

[jimmydean]

Little kids are getting slaughtered because of the idiotic policies on firearms.

I blame the person, not the gun. While I think assault rifles are stupid for anyone not in the active military or police, I don't think it is the access to those types of weapons that cause people to go batsh!t crazy.

 

[kidwoo]

I blame the person, not the gun. While I think assault rifles are stupid for anyone not in the active military or police, I don't think it is the access to those types of weapons that cause people to go batsh!t crazy.

No one says it's NOT the person. And no one says it's the weapon that makes them crazy (although I'm sure you've seen the slow and not so subtle changes a lot of people, okay dudes, undergo when they start really really getting into collections).

But wouldn't you rather that when someone does start to lose it and think the world is out to get them and wants to show that world a thing or two, his arsenal consists of a swiss army knife and a baseball bat?

 

[mattmatt86]

I blame the person, not the gun. While I think assault rifles are stupid for anyone not in the active military or police, I don't think it is the access to those types of weapons that cause people to go batsh!t crazy.

Of course access to a gun doesnt cause someone to go crazy. I have access to fattening foods and I'm not Fat. Someone can go crazy and kill someone with a spoon, a rock, their hands, whatever. An assault weapon allows them to kill with more precision and speed. If there were an assault weapons ban he still could have killed people with a hunting rifle or a shot gun, but their might only be 5 or 6 parents burying their children instead of 20+.

 

[syadasti]

I blame the person, not the gun. While I think assault rifles are stupid for anyone not in the active military or police, I don't think it is the access to those types of weapons that cause people to go batsh!t crazy.

China has strict gun control. Their crazy person on the same day injured 22 children in a half hour with a kitchen knife. The problem and difference is obvious.

 

[jimmydean]

Of course access to a gun doesnt cause someone to go crazy. I have access to fattening foods and I'm not Fat. Someone can go crazy and kill someone with a spoon, a rock, their hands, whatever. An assault weapon allows them to kill with more precision and speed. If there were an assault weapons ban he still could have killed people with a hunting rifle or a shot gun, but their might only be 5 or 6 parents burying their children instead of 20+.

Maybe, maybe with a shotgun he could have cleared more than 1 room. I don't see a need for public access to assault type rifles or any large capacity rifle for that matter. Shotgun for home defense, hunting rifle for hunting, hand gun for fun if needed.

And at least if you go after someone with a knife, it's more personal than just aim/fire. A ban on kitchen knifes would go too far IMO.

 

[kidwoo]

A ban on kitchen knifes would go too far IMO.

tomatos would become quite the comedy

 

[syadasti]

And at least if you go after someone with a knife, it's more personal than just aim/fire. A ban on kitchen knifes would go too far IMO.

Nobody died so a ban wouldn't save anyone. They aren't as efficient.

Just as nations have banned some times of weapons from warfare the same makes sense for the civilian sector. Certain levels of efficiency/suffering have no place in our society.

 

[jimmydean]

Certain levels of efficiency/suffering have no place in our society.

The issue with a ban is what do you do about ALL THE ONES OUT THERE NOW? Hell, GFF drove up with 3 in the back seat. While I was envious of the overbuilt night vision setup he had on one of them, I fail to see an actual need for such a powerful weapon in society.

I love the "I need it for hunting" argument. I know you would have nailed the trophy buck if you only had 15+ rounds in burst mode.

 

[syadasti]

Weapons bans in warfare have had an effect. The rules of supply and demand will not stop so with time things will improve. The magnitude of a problem is not a valid excuse to give up and do nothing.

As people have said bullet sales bans, quotas, taxes, etc could also be proposed

 

[jimmydean]

Someone else mentioned it a while back, but Chris Rock had a good point.

Bullet Control.

 

[MMike]

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-73733082/

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

I remember reading news articles about the Gabby Giffords shooting and noticed that the type of gun, brand, caliber and model were mentioned. Sales of that particular weapon increased immediately following the massacre. I expect this time to be no different as the the weapons used in yesterday's shooting have been equally identified.

Reading the comments posted below the current online news articles in favor of gun rights and the defense of the 2nd amendment is just sickening. This country's love affair with guns at all cost is beyond disturbing to me. Twenty children were gunned down and frothers can offer no sympathy for the grieving but instead vehemently defend their right to weapons. Is the unrestricted right to posses firearms more important than the lives of children ?

Some offer such nuggets of wisdom as to suggest that yesterday's tragedy could have been avoided if the teachers were carrying side arms. Their idea is to add more guns to the equation. This is insane, completely.

We have a problem in the US, and the need for gun control is only a symptom. We as culture and a people have some serious issues that need to be addressed. The mentality needs to change before laws can have any impact.

Well that didn't take long:

Sandy Hook Shooting Sparks Gun Sales Surge

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre.

Mancard Reinstated

Sometimes I am ashamed to be an American.

 

[Silver]

Bushmaster should man up and make a Lanza pro model.

They can sell magazines in the favorite Crayola colors of the dead kids. After all, there's not such thing as bad publicity, amirite?

 

[DirtMcGirk]

When did Ridemonkey become the left wing pussy club?
When you're all done blowing Bloomburg, wipe the cum off your cheeks and pull your heads out of your asses.

Hugs and kisses,
Dirt

 

[Beef Supreme]

When did Ridemonkey become the left wing pussy club?
When you're all done blowing Bloomburg, wipe the cum off your cheeks and pull your heads out of your asses.

Hugs and kisses,
Dirt

Dear Angry White Guys:

Quit killing people and we'll STFU.

 

[DaveW]

and many lolz were had......
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8095327/Gun-group-takes-down-Facebook-page

 

[DirtMcGirk]

Dear Angry White Guys:

Quit killing people and we'll STFU.

He was crazy, not just angry.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Hey Dirt, what's that behind you ?





































































I betcha looked didn't ya ? Paranoid freak, time to lay off the dead hookers and blow.

 

[H8R]

I wan't to open the discussion here about hand grenades.

I mean if assault rifles are ok, why not hand grenades and bazookas? These are "arms".


I want grenades. You know, for home defense and hunting.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

In my state I cannot own a tazer, but an assault rifle is totally legal. So clearly grenades should be legal and sold at a convenience store right between the jar of pickled eggs and the boiled peanuts. Just one state over you can take your ar-15 into the bar with you. Seems totally reasonable to me.

 

[DaveW]

Ahh this thread is like shooting fish in a barrel..... with a minigun.