Gun Control
I think some where along the years we quit having respect for each other and got a huge sense of entitlement. When things stop going your way and you don't have respect for others is it a short, disgruntled leap to taking your aggression out on others and using guns to do so?
I seriously wonder how many of these mass shooters have played POV shooting video games? Is there a correlation or is it completely unrelated?
I seriously wonder how many of these mass shooters have played POV shooting video games? Is there a correlation or is it completely unrelated?
So the NRA is contract killing folks who attend church?
...to think at one time the NRA was all about gun safety and responsible training and use.
Amazing what money will do.
Then again, the 2nd was also more about keeping the slaves in line then protecting the populace against the government.
Both need a serious rethink and re-write. ha ha - as if.
Amazing what money will do.
Then again, the 2nd was also more about keeping the slaves in line then protecting the populace against the government.
Both need a serious rethink and re-write. ha ha - as if.
Thats the way with everything. Health care, insurance, etc. Its a mess.
No they're just the enablers who are complacent about it and will use this as an excuse to sell more firearms.
Because as they've taught me well, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a neckbeard is a good guy with a neckbeard.
I mean hey hitler didn't personally bomb London but he made it really possible for methed up psychos to work out some aggression.
Oh shit, I did it again! Sorry John!
The NRA is responsible for the deaths of so many Americans that if it was based in Africa or the middle east, we'd be attacking it with drones. It has been a terrorist organization since the Institute for Legislative Action preformed it's coup of the NRA in 1977.
Is that when the darkies showed up at the CA state capitol with a bunch of AKs and then Reagan was all about gun control?
I guess I have been out of the gun loop so long (you know riding bikes and all) that up until the Vegas deal I didn't even know anything about bump-stops. I mean, from a plinker's perspective the last thing I would want to do is waste a bunch of expensive ammo while decreasing my ability to be accurate. I just don't get it personally. Maybe that is why I don't get this whole argument being the NRA's fault. I'm just out of the loop on this piece of the hate pie.
You mean, back when the NRA suddenly endorsed gun control?
I'm not a fan of the current militant NRA leadership. There is a training component that does have merit. They don't directly respresent manufacturers btw, that's the NSSF, nor they as big/influential as they are portrayed.
I haven't given them money in years, have a lifetime membership my dad signed me up for. He's been dead 20+ years....
The NRA has given up on MA. It's not worth their time so they ignore us. Local grass roots groups do all the legal fighting here.
Bump stocks were just banned in MA, the only state in the country. Lifetime in prison with no grandfathering.
I don't care about those but how it was passed was bullshit. No public review, extremely vague language trying to include how one may upgrade/maintain their guns (not b/s related, things like triggers and polished actions and even lubrication), and tied to state budget. Due to local activists we were able to remove the nonsense before it was signed, but it reinforced the need for oversight of our rights because they are always being attacked for emotional reasons. Their plan is death by 1000 paper cuts here.
Guns aren't some freedumb issue for me. I've always had them and it was part of how I was raised. Having that taken away because of others' actions doesn't sit well though. I don't preach a pro-gun lifestyle or advertise that I shoot in any way. I rarely carry (only when working in sketchy areas) and don't live in fear.
I just want to be left the fuck alone to live a responsible lifestyle.
Oh, Ok.
Does that mean I can blame every IMBA member for the shitty trails they build?
E: does that also mean that you, as a former military member, are responsible for the abuses at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib? How dare you blow up those wedding parties with your drones! What a heartless bastard you are for continuing to serve at your posh German base while these atrocities ensued for a decade.
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Those two sentences seem a bit contradictory to me.
I still technically own an m14, a little shitty .22 rifle and a luger, sitting in my dad's gun safe which has gotten ridiculous. I was raised with them too. I was also raised with some remnants of Jim Crow laws but hey that doesn't mean we can't do better in a changing world. Gun culture also wasn't what it is today when you and I grew up. Shit's weird now. Because someone realized they could capitalize on it.
You've just demonstrated (again) how you somehow see guns in a different light. You have seatbelts because other people died. You have non-pull tab beer because people got cut and littered. You have stoplights because some prick can't look both ways or yield. You can't buy fireworks because some douche blew up the neighbor cat's butthole. It most places you can't get booze at 4am because people can't even drink responsibly. But none of these things do you connect with your personal freedom, limited in some way because of the actions of others.......but with guns you feel the need to take a stand. Why is that?
Yes. Absolutely. They must be stopped at every turn. Preferably with concentration camps and with violence. They are a far greater threat to our freedom to zoom than any gun law.
I'll buy your m14.
Stores being closed late night doesn't prevent my ability to own or possess beer. I don't have to wear a seatbelt if I'm prepared to pay a fine or die. Nobody in MA pays attention to traffic laws. I can't posses fireworks at all in MA. I always opt for TSA manual searches to slow down the line and make the power drunk tool grab my balls before asking him "was it good for you too?"
I don't see myself taking a stand on guns. You won't find me at the Statehouse with a Black Rifles Matter sign even though I own an ar.
The state of MA has subjected me to the strictest gun laws in the nation, which I dutifully comply with. I've stated I would support those laws going national in an effort to maintain my right to own firearms.
I could say fuck it and move to my place in Maine and live without any of the BS. Maybe I will once the kids move out but in the meantime I'm not going to blindly allow my rights to be continuously eroded when they are already plenty regulated.
Cool so we're on the same page at least. The NRA fights this tooth and nail however, which is why you caught a little flak here (see what I did there?)
And you can certainly possess fireworks, just need to drive to the Carolinas. You just mentioned all the other laws you ignore, why is that one different? That's also why individual state gun laws don't work either
Again though, you seem to only bring this up when it comes to guns. What about wilderness areas? Are you as vocal bout that, speaking with the same sorts of language about your rights? To me riding bikes is way more radderer than shooting. Would you really move states just because of gun laws though?
Let me check on the m14. See what it takes to take a private party sale in MA. It's in florida, where sanity lives.
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I expected the NRA flak but it is what it is.Cool so we're on the same page at least. The NRA fights this tooth and nail however, which is why you caught a little flak here (see what I did there?)
And you can certainly possess fireworks, just need to drive to the Carolinas. You just mentioned all the other laws you ignore, why is that one different? That's also why individual state gun laws don't work either
Again though, you seem to only bring this up when it comes to guns. What about wilderness areas? Are you as vocal bout that, speaking with the same sorts of language about your rights? To me riding bikes is way more radderer than shooting. Would you really move states just because of gun laws though?
Let me check on the m14. See what it takes to take a private party sale in MA. It's in florida, where sanity lives.
I can get fireworks 30miles away in NH or ME but good luck getting them back here. Was pulled over this summer after a ride because my truck "was seen leaving an exit that had several fireworks stores." And a gas station, which I why I was there.
I'm vocal about a lot of things. I've got a reputation for beaching my boat on 'private' beaches because the coast belongs to all citizens of this state not just those who can afford ocean front property. Same goes for national/state parks and wilderness areas (though I also poach trails in them). I refused consent to search when the statie pulled me over for the the fireworks bs because I'd done nothing wrong. I will not eat green peppers.
Agreed on riding being cooler by far, shooting is just my other hobby. Riding with my sons is my favorite thing though shooting gets them off the screens too.
No I wouldn't move states just for gun laws. I know people who have (NH), but that would just be a perk for getting away from civilization.
We'd just need to have FFLs (dealers) ship the rifle between each other. So easy even a deranged lunatic could do it.
Well, yes. The acts committed by our military in the name of alleged freedom weigh heavily on my mind and are a cross I will bear to my dieing day. I once was proud of the things we did, but once I realized the truthful motives behind almost every military action this country has taken in its entire history, I became ashamed and saddened. Also was mad at myself for years and it has taken much therapy, liquid and professional, to get me over my guilt at being a part of such shenanigans.
Btw, I am not in Germany anymore. Keep up, willya?
How dare you use my own words against me!I thought we couldn't draw nazi comparisons John?
Valid points and I have wondered the same thing about those stupid games...dehumanizing the violence, allowing re-spawning and endless lives within the safety and sanctity of your own living room, followed by a good jerk off session...
I read somewhere ( no idea where anymore ) some years ago, that the military loved the video games.
Seems like they did a good part of the dehumanizing and reaction training for them.
No idea if, but sounds legit, on both military interest and their conclusions.
I know my own kid recognizes small variations in weaponry, model xyz not yyz, geez dad, don't you now anything?
Seems like they did a good part of the dehumanizing and reaction training for them.
No idea if, but sounds legit, on both military interest and their conclusions.
I know my own kid recognizes small variations in weaponry, model xyz not yyz, geez dad, don't you now anything?
You don't live in the states so likely don't see this stuff. But long about gulf war 2, the sequel, half the recruitment ads on television and the innernetz were directly targeting gamers. They still do.
For fucks sake
Lemme guess...
- Starts with a greasy kid sitting in his basement with full game rig slowly morphing into a patriot sitting at a station flying a drone; all backed up by rousing music, flags and eagles and shit...
Pretty much. Lots of CGI and eagles. Ends with fuckwit ripped, in fatigues and wearing a helmet.
Starts off with all kinds of weird first person shooter imagery.
Starts off with all kinds of weird first person shooter imagery.
Plus, it turns out the video game generation is pretty good at killing brown skins from afar with robot airplanes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Army
Only problem is a lot of kids that are gamers can't do 2 push ups. Or at least that was the experience when I got out and was getting worse.
Statistically, it does.
Three of the biggest conviction rates are child sex offenses...interesting. My biggest ? is why publish something this specific? Seems as if they are trying to justify something. Publishing crime stats is a public service, but to pigeonhole it is such a way seems biased. Almost like publishing crimes stats involving illegal aliens.
Shithead from the church shooting would not even have had a gun if some AF/OSI agent at Holloman had done their fucking job.
Shithead from the church shooting would not even have had a gun if some AF/OSI agent at Holloman had done their fucking job.
If you gave a "launch nuclear missiles" button to every man women and child in this country, do you think some of them would press it?
So basically Halo.
Ok, but how are they guilty of unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon?
right now i'd be happy with some incremental improvements. let's start with shoring up the background check process and close the trade show loophole.
Mandate this at the Federal level...watch heads explode at NRA HQ.
i have a number of decidedly pro-gun friends (on both sides of the spectrum) who support this. one, who tends to lean to the right, started supporting it after he personally witness someone trying to buy a guy get arrested. the guy failed a background check because he had an outstanding warrant.
Would you trade national CCW reciprocity for it? Abolishment of state specific regulations in favor of national laws (magazine capacity, silencers etc?)
We're at zero compromise on both sides currently so something's got to give in both directions.