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cecil

Turbo Monkey
Jun 3, 2008
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So you're just here to troll?

Have you read any of this thread? An awful lot of the points you think you're making have long ago been addressed in this thread, ad infinitum.
No did not read the whole tread I'm more of a realist look at all options with an open mind and realize fixing the problem is a moving Target and as society changes over the years different things must be done

Can you agree that we need to do a better job teaching all children to respect their fellow human life with more respect than most do?

Do you agree that there comes a point violent people should never be let back Into society?

How is this not reasonable

And for like 100 time I don't own guns nor do I care if they are banned

Say the all guns in America are rounded up and destroyed there are none left at all

should we not help the people with mental illness?

Yet reasonalbe non political comments like I just made get me labeled a far right anti Hillary blah blah blah

Are you going go all psyco like jm now?
 

cecil

Turbo Monkey
Jun 3, 2008
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You equivocate, bad people do bad things, it doesn't matter the tool. BS, ease of access and guns greater magnitude for inflicting death and destruction matter.

You fail to see the forest for the trees if you cannot see the value in understanding how Germany, Australia, and Japan regulate guns.

I get it we are a special snowflake on Shining Hill, we are blessed to have disproportionately more gun violence than others nations.
I said if someone wants to do something bad enough they will

There is a cause of a problem and a result of a problem. I'm saying fix boththe cause and the result not just one or the other edit: mental health and gun control

Also the other countries people keep referring to have stricter laws In general

It's a simple face value statement no hidden political agenda

I absolutely agree there is a serious problem But you try to talk about and it's either Democrats or Republicans not round table discussion or workshop type of problem solving

Everyone here it's ethier your on their side or your the enemy and that plays Into part of the problem

As I said I my original post we need to do better to respect human life then I'm called right wing and personally insulted by someone

How is it that I fail to see the forest through the trees?

So tell me again
 
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rockofullr

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Jun 11, 2009
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Appearently all they need to do to solve all this gun violence is just put a bit kore effort jnto healthcare and treat people right and teach them about values n stuff.

That should be a heeeeell of a lot easier then just banning guns... Right?
Sounds like some commy lefty pinko shit to me. Here in Merikuh we don't believe in helping those in need. Only thing we believe in is Jesus, standing for the anthem, lower taxes, and guns.

 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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Sounds like some commy lefty pinko shit to me. Here in Merikuh we don't believe in helping those in need. Only thing we believe in is Jesus, standing for the anthem, lower taxes, and guns.

same thing socialist jesus....

nothing.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding the baggage carousel.
I have questions for the peanut gallery.

Offended by @pnj's statement? What did you do in effort to protect the victims of the deadliest shooting to occur in the United States.
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in the last 11 days?


I'm fucking serious. Have you given money to a gun control reform group or a mental health organization? Volunteered for a candidate who supports gun control reform or given them money? Have you written or called your legislator?

If the answer is no to any of those, just shut the fuck up. Seriously. Action less, pearl clutching, bullshit. It's the leftist equivalent of "thoughts and prayers". If you're horrified by yet another senseless, uniquely American, horror show, DO SOMETHING! You motherfuckers are more offended by some crass joke then the fact that 79 people have died in "mass shootings" in the last 11 days.

Jesus fucking christ........
 
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stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
21,514
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Colorado
I have questions for the peanut gallery.

Offended by @pnj's statement? What did you do in effort to protect the victims of the deadliest shooting to occur in the United States.
.
.
.
.
.
.
in the last 11 days?


I'm fucking serious. Have you given money to a gun control reform group or a mental health organization? Volunteered for a candidate who supports gun control reform or given them money? Have you written or called your legislator?

If the answer is no to any of those, just shut the fuck up. Seriously. Action less, pearl clutching, bullshit. It's the leftist equivalent of "thoughts and prayers". If you're horrified by yet another senseless, uniquely American, horror show, DO SOMETHING! You motherfuckers are more offended by some crass joke then the fact that 79 people have died in "mass shootings" in the last 11 days.

Jesus fucking christ........
Go run for office you angry SOB. But first move out of hate-ville.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
21,514
7,058
Colorado
Oh god....can you imagine how much angrier I'd be? My shrink told me I probably shouldn't be involved in politics at all, but I can't help myself. Ill stick to other people's campaigns. Its a shitty drug.....
An angry, gun-control supporting, climate change believing, healthcare supporting, diversity wanting, atheist. OMG, that would be fucking hilarious.
 

Kevin

Turbo Monkey
Ill just leave this here... You know, since people are always blaming health care over the actual problem.

https://www.utmb.edu/newsroom/article11989.aspx

Mental illness not to blame for gun violence study finds
February 6, 2019

GALVESTON, Texas – Counter to a lot of public opinion, having a mental illness does not necessarily make a person more likely to commit gun violence. According to a new study, a better indicator of gun violence was access to firearms.

A study by researchers at The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston looked into the association between gun violence and mental health in a group of 663 young adults in Texas. Their results were published in the journal Preventive Medicine.

“Counter to public beliefs, the majority of mental health symptoms examined were not related to gun violence,” said Dr. Yu Lu, a postdoctoral research fellow at UTMB and the lead author of the study.

What researchers found instead was that individuals who had gun access were approximately 18 times more likely to have threatened someone with a gun. Individuals with high hostility were about 3.5 times more likely to threaten someone.

“These findings have important implications for gun control policy efforts,” Lu said.

Each year, an estimated 75,000 to 100,000 Americans are injured by firearms and 30,000 to 40,000 die from firearms, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

“Much of the limited research on gun violence and mental illness has focused on violence among individuals with severe mental illnesses or rates of mental illness among individuals arrested for violent crimes,” Lu said. “What we found is that the link between mental illness and gun violence is not there.”

Lu and Dr. Jeff Temple, another author of the study and a professor at UTMB, surveyed participants in a long-term study about their firearm possession and use as well as about anxiety, depression, stress, posttraumatic stress disorder, hostility, impulsivity, borderline personality disorder, mental health treatment and other demographic details.

The researchers found that individuals who had access to guns, compared to those with no such access, were over 18 times more likely to have threatened someone with a gun, even after controlling for a number of demographic and mental health variables. Meanwhile, most mental health symptoms were unrelated to gun violence.

“Taking all this information together, limiting access to guns, regardless of any other mental health status, demographics or prior mental health treatments, is the key to reducing gun violence,” Temple said.

This research was supported by awards from the Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and from the National Institute of Justice. The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of NICHD or NIJ.
 
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