[ohio]

Let's go over what extremist Muslims hate about the US, and why our very existance is an offense to their God

There's a big difference between "despising what we stand for" and "mobilizing a worldwide network of tens of thousands of terrorists willing to die to destroy us." We can thank Bush for the latter.

We went from being an "insidious threat, slowly encroaching on Muslim culture" to being a "direct threat, willing to use the full force of our army to destroy Islam."

 

[ohio]

So we agree that extremist Muslims hate the US because of most of our "liberal" tendancies.

I didn't see anyone flying planes into Stockholm's skyscrapers.

 

[Changleen]

I didn't see anyone flying planes into Stockholm's skyscrapers.

Ah, but what did you really see anyway?

j/k

 

[Changleen]

So we agree that extremist Muslims hate the US because of most of our "liberal" tendancies. So logically, if the US hadn't become so liberal over the last forty years, we wouldn't have this massive conflict and Bush wouldn't have had any reason to go into other countries. So it still isn't Bush; it's still our culture that's the cause of the problem.

Dude, like Silver said you are being overly reductionist. I think someone else said (and it is true) the US was largely well regarded by the general populations of most Muslim and Asian nations before 2001.

And if you are still trying to defocus the current hatred of the US away from Bush and what he has done, you're simply on the wrong track. I promise you. I live 'out there' and I travel. People HATE Bush, and some people by extension hate America as a whole because of that, especially when 50% of you re-elect the fvckwit.

The rest of the world sees Bush as follows:

An aggressive, imperialist war monger who is mainly interested in protecting US oil interests over all other factors.

We see he has started 2 wars, one with zero justification - seriously most people see Iraq as a naked act of illegal aggression, we see the lack of care for our shared environment, we see one sided 'free trade' agreements, we see our ideas and wants being ignored. We see any criticism we make rubbished.

Basically we see an idiot in charge of the most powerful country on Earth, making stupid descisions that affect everyone in a negative way, and we see a huge portion of the American public standing behind those ideas.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Dude, like Silver said you are being overly reductionist. I think someone else said (and it is true) the US was largely well regarded by the general populations of most Muslim and Asian nations before 2001.

And if you are still trying to defocus the current hatred of the US away from Bush and what he has done, you're simply on the wrong track. I promise you. I live 'out there' and I travel. People HATE Bush, and some people by extension hate America as a whole because of that, especially when 50% of you re-elect the fvckwit.

The rest of the world sees Bush as follows:

An aggressive, imperialist war monger who is mainly interested in protecting US oil interests over all other factors.

We see he has started 2 wars, one with zero justification - seriously most people see Iraq as a naked act of illegal aggression, we see the lack of care for our shared environment, we see one sided 'free trade' agreements, we see our ideas and wants being ignored. We see any criticism we make rubbished.

Basically we see an idiot in charge of the most powerful country on Earth, making stupid descisions that affect everyone in a negative way, and we see a huge portion of the American public standing behind those ideas.

I'm going on record here and now that "I did not have sexual relat..." no wait....wrong presidency..."I did not vote for that fvckwit"

Now when the US reaps the whirlwind of global fury, I can sit back with a clear conscience.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming....

 

[1000-Oaks]

The rest of the world sees Bush as follows:

An aggressive, imperialist war monger who is mainly interested in protecting US oil interests over all other factors.

Regardless of what "the world" (well, the anti-Bush folks anyway) considers Bush, obviously US oil interests are not the primarly factor. How many times have we heard the tired "blood of US soldiers for oil"? It's just as overused as "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line.

If it were actually true we'd have cheap gas, wouldn't we? But in fact that Presidents of last two Iraq wars have been so paranoid that someone would "prove" that the war was for oil the US has gone to great lengths to make sure that wasn't / isn't the case.

Heck, for all the crap the US gets for these two wars maybe we should go get some oil - kind of like your girlfriend constantly telling you she thinks you're cheating (when you're not), then you finally go out and actually cheat because you've already been excessively punished for it.

 

[Silver]

Don't confuse strategic control of resources with the price of gasoline at the pumps. They aren't the same thing. Also, note that US oil interests and the interests of US consumers of oil also don't need to be the same...

 

[The Amish]

Eh? Does your post relate to mine in any way other than you used a couple of the same words?

MY bad, so used to you pissing all over america I completly misread your post

 

[fluff]

MY bad, so used to you pissing all over america I completly misread your post

You must have me confused with someone else.

There are many good things about America, the current adminstration's foreign policy and supremacist attitude are not amongst them. In fact I see Bush & Co doing their damnedest to damage many of the good things that the USA stood for. Whilst I do not expect a nation's govt to display outright philanthropism anyone who desires to set themselves as beacons of morality, tolerance, freedom, democracy, fairness and honesty needs to do a damn site better than this lot.

 

[Old Man G Funk]

MY bad, so used to you pissing all over america I completly misread your post

Pissing all over Bush is not the same as pissing all over America.