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Had my first car chase.......in reverse!

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manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
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Blindly running into cactus
I've been in enough vehicle and foot pursuits that it's not a huge deal anymore but yesterday's shennanigans were special.

I was patrolling down a one-way street in a housing project when i spotted 3 guys sitting in a car looking kinda nervous. I ran the tag as i slowly rolled by and it came back as a stolen vehicle. the car backed out and faced in the same direction i was traveling. i stopped to try and decide how to handle the situation and they realized that i was onto them. next thing i know they're tires are squealing in reverse and so are mine. they must have hit 40mph in reverse and i was right on them the whole time. it was like a james bond movie in one of those little european towns with narrow alleyways.....in reverse. they made it to the main road, spun around and took off. i was right behind them and then the driver lost it at an intersection and nailed a light pole. all 3 got out and ran. i caught one, and with the help of my backup, surrounded one in someones fenced in back yard. i recognized the driver and went through the neighborhood calling his name like in a game of hide and seek. he popped up and ran again but gave up a short time later. (he's actually a pretty smart kid and ended up giving me A LOT of info on local break-ins and some other serious stuff. he's the self proclaimed leader of the local cryp-set and proud of it. it's cool to get along with this guy because every time i have to deal with him he ends up telling me more and more about the gang life. he even asks for me when he gets into trouble with other officers.) anyway, 'twas a fun and unique chase that i thought you monkeys would appreciate.

because of the good info he gave me, the magistrate let him out of jail on a written promise to appear so that he could go home to his kid. we had a little talk about his lack of responsibility as a parent for getting into this crap. as it often turns out, the car was a crack trade. crackhead stole it and sold it to my "buddy" in exchange for gram of crack.

the really sad part about this guy is that he told me that he's waiting for the main leader of the regional cryps to come down and "promote" him. He will be "promoted" if he shoots a blood member in the back of the head.:banghead: :disgust1: :(
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
7,213
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Blindly running into cactus
lol...yeah, i don't believe that just locking people up does much good. i like to try and understand the circumstances that "make" criminals.

don't get me wrong though, some people need to be in jail but it seems that the ones who do go for petty stuff have a really hard time getting back on their feet afterwards...well, legally.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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Don't all cop cars have rear facing 30mm cannons? Why the chase?
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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Sleepy Hollar
I don't quite follow why a guy out who appears to be a repeat offender and also told you that he was thinking about killing somebody to get a gang promotion should be returned to society, even if it's so he can take care of his kid and he gives you good information. Sounds like this guy needs a little more than a pep talk. But hey that's just me...
 

llkoolkeg

Ranger LL
Sep 5, 2001
4,335
15
in da shed, mon, in da shed
It's a good thing I don't live close to manimal. I get the sense that my life would be more like an ongoing Dukes of Hazard/Groundhog Day episode...you know...kind of a friendly Dukes/Roscoe existence on bikes and in cars with me hopefully one turn ahead while furiously munching down the nuggy evidence . :biggrin:
 

douglas

Chocolate Milk Doug
May 15, 2002
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Shut up and Ride
I don't quite follow why a guy out who appears to be a repeat offender and also told you that he was thinking about killing somebody to get a gang promotion should be returned to society, even if it's so he can take care of his kid and he gives you good information. Sounds like this guy needs a little more than a pep talk. But hey that's just me...
I was thinking the same thing
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
11,735
1,819
chez moi
Heh, they make us drive in reverse a LOT...fun times. Bad steering, sore necks, 180s...
 

burly50

Where the hell is everyone?
May 13, 2006
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Westtown, NY
I don't quite follow why a guy out who appears to be a repeat offender and also told you that he was thinking about killing somebody to get a gang promotion should be returned to society, even if it's so he can take care of his kid and he gives you good information. Sounds like this guy needs a little more than a pep talk. But hey that's just me...
Job Security
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
7,213
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Blindly running into cactus
I don't quite follow why a guy out who appears to be a repeat offender and also told you that he was thinking about killing somebody to get a gang promotion should be returned to society, even if it's so he can take care of his kid and he gives you good information. Sounds like this guy needs a little more than a pep talk. But hey that's just me...

here's the reason. even with the felony charge, his bond would be less than $5k, an amount easily obtained through a bondsmen. and he would likely have it reduced the next day at first appearance. so instead of burning my informational bridges and getting him a bond, i formed a relationship with him by treating him like a human being and in turn, got a TON of info on recent and future crime from a reliable source.
besides, by your logic, if he kills another gangbanger then that's one less we have to deal with right :rolleyes: ;)

this guy hates plenty of officers and the feeling is mutual i'm sure, but the fact that he is pretty high up in his street rank structure and he's willing to open up to me about the stuff his crew is doing is worth a lot more in the longrun than 2 or 3 days max in the jail. he's facing 16 months when he goes to court so his time will come but keeping him in the local jail for a few hours isn't worth losing a good contact.

edit: if i arrested every person that told me they were going to kill somebody i'd never leave the jail.

here's a little statistic for you as well so you can see what i have to deal with when my cases go to court. out of the 25 or so felony possession with intent to sell drug arrest i've made in the past year that are not still pending on the court docket; 17 of them were reduced to misdemeanor possession or paraphernalia by the time they made it to court and most were let off w/ no jail time. the stats aren't much better for serious assault charges. so if the majority of street level crime is solved by snitches then whats the point of alienating them by sticking it to them at arrest when the court system is just going to let them go anyway? it's a catch 22 that i have to deal with, i don't really expect you to understand.
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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Sleepy Hollar
so if the majority of street level crime is solved by snitches then whats the point of alienating them by sticking it to them at arrest when the court system is just going to let them go anyway? it's a catch 22 that i have to deal with, i don't really expect you to understand.
That's interesting stuff to know. Thanks for taking the time to explain it. I wasn't trying to be negative in regards to your work. Sorry if I came across that way. I guess I'm just ignorant of the 'system'.
 

mshred

Monkey
Aug 6, 2006
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Awesome! my bike was stolen and used as a "crack trade." of course it was sold and traded to 4 other people within an hour and a half. It always amazes me how fast some things can happen. but i did get it back, in perfect condition. (my friends bro was looking for them (my bike, my friends and his) and he bought all them (Kona Stinky, Kona Shred, and rocky mountain switch for only 100 bucks. we didnt catch who stole them, but we know the whole story..
 

Bicyclist

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2004
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SB
so what gang inside of the CRIPS is he with? westside mafia, SSC (south side crips), 13th street boyz, BK (blood killaz)........you need to watch out for the MS-13 cause those fawkers dont play around
MS-13 is nuts. I know this kid who was in it for a while. When he got jumped in he got shot.
 

jdcamb

Tool Time!
Feb 17, 2002
20,050
8,770
Nowhere Man!
here's the reason. even with the felony charge, his bond would be less than $5k, an amount easily obtained through a bondsmen. and he would likely have it reduced the next day at first appearance. so instead of burning my informational bridges and getting him a bond, i formed a relationship with him by treating him like a human being and in turn, got a TON of info on recent and future crime from a reliable source....

It's a catch 22 that i have to deal with, i don't really expect you to understand.
I understand and want to thank you for your efforts. Good job!
 

Skookum

bikey's is cool
Jul 26, 2002
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in a bear cave
This guy is giving you bread crumbs and you know he holds real meat and potato crimes close to his vest. That's the unfortunate thing is that (not you) but "the system" will reward criminals in this way. Looking big picture it's unfortunate that there is a severe lack of funding to many state and federal agencies that are supposed to be in place to help in solving problems instead of the legal and police end that simply perpetuate it in many cases, including this one.

All the while there are more victims, including the family of the offender.

Pay the teachers, the counselors, the social workers, etc.... for a start. The war against drugs is a joke...
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
7,213
22
Blindly running into cactus
This guy is giving you bread crumbs and you know he holds real meat and potato crimes close to his vest.
probably, but he did give me the name of a guy that shot another guy in the pee-pee 5 times


Pay the teachers, the counselors, the social workers, etc.... for a start. The war against drugs is a joke...
you nailed it! the war on drugs is not winnable, however, i can vouch for a direct link between drug use/sales and violent crime. from the dealer protecting his turf to the crackhead stealing cars to pay for his habit. i'm not a big fan of putting an addict away for years and years, it's the dealers that i want. i know the true big-wigs in that industry are probably tied into our economy to well for the guv to make many changes. so i'll just do my best to keep it out of my little area.
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
7,213
22
Blindly running into cactus
MS-13 is nuts. I know this kid who was in it for a while. When he got jumped in he got shot.
yeah, they're highly organized, unlike many of the local blood/cryp goons.

ironically, we had a gang related homicide last night. by the time i got to the scene EMS was already giving CPR and blood was spewing all over his chest from the 4 point-blank holes in his chest.

....and i just did a search of all the local news websites and no one even covered it. hmmm, gang politics :rant: had it been some pretty little high school student it would be on CNN, but a hispanic gangbanger dies and it doesn't even make for a 10 second spot on the LOCAL news. :rolleyes: :clue:

note: the shooter wasn't my guy. the dead guy is actually a cryp so i'm sure the fallout will be ugly by this weekend. but at least we caught 2 of the 3 shooters.
 

loco-gringo

Crusading Clamp Monkey
Sep 27, 2006
8,887
14
Deep in the heart of TEXAS
It's a good thing I don't live close to manimal. I get the sense that my life would be more like an ongoing Dukes of Hazard/Groundhog Day episode...you know...kind of a friendly Dukes/Roscoe existence on bikes and in cars with me hopefully one turn ahead while furiously munching down the nuggy evidence . :biggrin:
Are you saying manimal straightens the curves and flattens the hills?