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Haggard/Jones gay/meth... agenda?

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Ya know, the way this thing is falling out, I'm beginning to get suspicious.

The whore/dealer is getting all sorts of recognition, he's likely to do the talk show circuit and make good money. His popularity will only increase making him a high cost item now amongst rich gay guys.

The pastor resigned and everybody loves him nonetheless. He's likely to write a book and make millions... that's what Jones said in a local interview. Seriously.

The pastor's eldest son gives a great speech and is likely to take over the congregation so he can fleece his flock too.


It's starting to smell like a setup.
 

Secret Squirrel

There is no Justice!
Dec 21, 2004
8,150
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Up sh*t creek, without a paddle
Ya know, the way this thing is falling out, I'm beginning to get suspicious.

The whore/dealer is getting all sorts of recognition, he's likely to do the talk show circuit and make good money. His popularity will only increase making him a high cost item now amongst rich gay guys.

The pastor resigned and everybody loves him nonetheless. He's likely to write a book and make millions... that's what Jones said in a local interview. Seriously.

The pastor's eldest son gives a great speech and is likely to take over the congregation so he can fleece his flock too.


It's starting to smell like a setup.
Eh....opportunistic spin by everyone involved....pretty much par for the course. I wouldn't expect anything less actually....Now that Foley guy...boy he got his...
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
21,022
3
Denver
I hear ya about spin, but the way the spin pieces are falling into place so quickly, so flawlessly just seems fishy.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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The Cleft of Venus
Fired Evangelist Slams Gays in New Movie
Nov 06 1:55 PM US/Eastern
By CHRISTY LEMIRE
AP Movie Writer
LOS ANGELES


The Rev. Ted Haggard has been fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use, but the evangelical leader can still be seen at the height of his powers _ preaching to thousands and condemning homosexuality _ in the documentary "Jesus Camp."

In one scene of the film, which follows a group of children as they develop evangelical Christian beliefs, directors Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady visit Haggard's 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo. He tells the vast audience, "We don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It's written in the Bible."

Then Haggard looks into the camera and says kiddingly: "I think I know what you did last night," drawing laughs from the crowd. "If you send me a thousand dollars, I won't tell your wife."

Later, another joke for the filmmakers: "If you use any of this, I'll sue you."

The married, 50-year-old father of five admitted in a letter read Sunday to his followers that he was "guilty of sexual immorality." He has yet to address specific claims by a male escort that Haggard paid him for sex over the past three years.

Haggard has acknowledged that he paid Mike Jones of Denver for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he didn't have sex with Jones and didn't take the drug. He resigned last week as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, which represents 30 million people, and was removed Saturday as leader of his own church.

"Jesus Camp" is playing in several cities and expands to more on Friday and throughout the year. Ewing and Grady said that when they shot footage for the film at the New Life Church in October 2005, they were struck by how enraptured Haggard's followers looked.

"Pastor Ted, they were so proud of him. They thought he was hip, young, he didn't have that stodgy James Dobson feel," Ewing said Monday, referring to the Focus on the Family founder. "They all really adored him, that's the first thing I thought _ those people, those faces, they hung and took notes on every word he said _ I can't imagine what those people must be feeling."

Haggard has disputed the way he's portrayed in "Jesus Camp," saying on his Web site (in a posting that since has been removed) that the filmmakers shot for hours at his church and only used the parts in which he was playing with negative stereotypes.

"You can expect to learn as much about the Catholic Church from 'Nacho Libre' as you can learn about evangelicalism from 'Jesus Camp,'" he wrote. Ewing and Grady say Haggard is the only one who has complained about the way he was depicted in the film.

"Jesus Camp" also shows Haggard speaking to an aspiring young preacher named Levi, asking him whether people listen to him because he's a kid or because he has something to say. His advice: "Use your cute-kid thing until you're 30, and by then you'll have good content."

Grady said that when she first heard about the accusations against Haggard, "I was shocked but I was not surprised in any way because he did come across as somewhat of a hypocrite even in our movie _ in a smaller way, of course. He was so cynical in that exchange with that child in our movie, it was odd and it popped out."

Haggard also leads the audience in praying for President Bush to select a Supreme Court nominee who supports their beliefs (it would end up becoming Samuel Alito) and later brags about the rapid expansion of evangelicalism.

"It's got enough growth to essentially sway every election," Haggard says with a smile. "If the evangelicals vote, they determine the election."

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On the Net

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com

http://www.tedhaggard.com
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Portland, OR
When life gives you lemons...


I like the line "I bought meth, but I threw it away..." That's almost as good as "I didn't inhale..."
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Denver
I'd say it is a pretty risky way of going about it.
agreeance.


I'm not sure what I'm getting at, only that I get the feeling that there's a great deal more to the story... maybe some church officials knew, called Jones, set him up or soemthing.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
54,225
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Sleazattle
agreeance.


I'm not sure what I'm getting at, only that I get the feeling that there's a great deal more to the story... maybe some church officials knew, called Jones, set him up or soemthing.
It is the liberal media making you want to think there was some kind of conspiracy. Damn liberal media.
 

SeaPig

Monkey
Sep 20, 2005
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Seattle
agreeance.


I'm not sure what I'm getting at, only that I get the feeling that there's a great deal more to the story... maybe some church officials knew, called Jones, set him up or soemthing.
Maybe it's not so much a conspiracy, but that they are all so bent on keeping power they just spin toward conspiracy by default. They forget that they are supposed to be leaders of faith and in trying to keep power become leaders of bad faith. Here's the problem with that, their flock believes this new bad faith because they all want their "meek shall inherit the earth" now! So the flock goes along because to jump ship now, would meen that all those years of being pious ment nothing. As far as Jones, he's just pissed off, because his secret boyfriend runs around calling him the devil's slut, or something like that. I really doubt it that they all planned it before hand. They just went with the flow.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
21,022
3
Denver
I'll buy that.


As for Jones, he claims he didn't know who Haggard was until he saw some political massage saying gay marriage is wrong.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
uncle ted says "i'm not gay"
The Rev. Ted Haggard emerged from three weeks of intensive counseling convinced he is "completely heterosexual" and told an oversight board that his sexual contact with men was limited to his accuser.
3 weeks? was it "aversion therapy"?

 

bac

Monkey
Dec 14, 2006
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Pennsylvania
Fired Evangelist Slams Gays in New Movie
Nov 06 1:55 PM US/Eastern
By CHRISTY LEMIRE
AP Movie Writer
LOS ANGELES


The Rev. Ted Haggard has been fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use, but the evangelical leader can still be seen at the height of his powers _ preaching to thousands and condemning homosexuality _ in the documentary "Jesus Camp."
I just saw this documentary. Rev Haggy doth protest too much me thinks! It's really a great show, and worth your time.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
14,591
6
what about knowingly gettin down w/ a x-gendered being? (outwardly opposite sex)