Why yes he would!!!! I sense some Trex discrimination happening . Next it'll be burger king hands and midgets...(Note I'm all in on midgete memes) LolT-Rex would disagree.
What?! You're alive? No wayCurrently 800 that came OEM on the squishy bike, and 780 on the hardtail I don't ride very often. Both are ~20mm rise, 50mm stem on the squisher and 70mm stem on the hardtail. I'm 6'2" and getting shorter. After recently losing a fight with a narrow gap between a tree and a rock wall I'm considering cutting down the 800s to 780 for a little bit more clearance, which I used to ride on everything so it'd probably be fine.
Dude, you're like 5'8" on a good day. And like 200lbs. Just giving you shit, cuz I canWELL, since we're all wisely considering ergonomics and stem length in this, I'm an average 5'11 build running a 45mm stem. I think the 780mm bar has a 20mm rise. Fairly slammed on the bike , reach 19.1 in.
Add slower speeds with nervousness AND oversteer. My thing are wooden bridges and crap like that. If it's more than a foot off the ground, that nervousness kicks in and any corrective input into the bars translate into the bigger movements at the wheel (if that makes sense) and that gets dangerous. Otherwise my 800mm feel nice and stable. At the same time, I don't think knocking off 5mm or so off each end of the bar will make much of a difference but I'll probably try it. I used to have 785mm bars and I don't remember having an issue.6' 1" with a fairly wide shoulders and a substantial ape index. Was riding 800 for a couple years but now down to 780. XL Santa Cruz frames.
Interesting point about oversteer when you need to be precise. Do you mean at slower speeds and with more bar turn? Haven't really thought about (and don't usually have any oversteer issues going slow) it but conceptually I guess a wider bar could pull your outside hand further forward with more bar turn, which (theortetically anyway) could pull at least some weight further forward, moving weight off the rear and onto the front. But I suppose the opposite could also be true depending on how your upper body reacts.
5’10”
740 and 750 on the slalom/play bikes
760 on big travel bikes.
I am perhaps the last 50mm stem user on earth.
No you're not. I'm one too. I am preferring a smaller frame and longer stem. So for me, L vs XL. But I'm also old school.5’10”
740 and 750 on the slalom/play bikes
760 on big travel bikes.
I am perhaps the last 50mm stem user on earth.
I'm using a 50mm stem still. Went longer after trying short 32 and 35mm stems for a while.5’10”
740 and 750 on the slalom/play bikes
760 on big travel bikes.
I am perhaps the last 50mm stem user on earth.
Huh. Oversteer usually means the rear end breaking loose and starting to come around, but it sounds like you're talking more about a floppy front wheel at slow speeds..? I've always thought that was more an issue of slack head angle and rearward weight bias but that's more in the context of climbing. Sure wider bars could contribute by exaggerating input, but I'm not one to weigh in on that, for the most part I avoid skinnies like the plague.Add slower speeds with nervousness AND oversteer. My thing are wooden bridges and crap like that. If it's more than a foot off the ground, that nervousness kicks in and any corrective input into the bars translate into the bigger movements at the wheel (if that makes sense) and that gets dangerous. Otherwise my 800mm feel nice and stable. At the same time, I don't think knocking off 5mm or so off each end of the bar will make much of a difference but I'll probably try it. I used to have 785mm bars and I don't remember having an issue.
lots of the ews bike checks have 45, 50mm stems......
90% of Harley's ever made are still on the road today. The other 10% made it home.I thought ape-hangers were on Harley's because it makes it easier to push them when they break down?
Thanks Ralph
I'd use it as a point of reference for finding some new ones if you can. Old aluminium isn't the issue if they've been kicking around the garage, sustained use however is a different matter.Is it still safe to use old aluminum handlebars? I have a cheap Kore Torsion AL 2014 double butted bar that I've had for about 15 years and still haven't thrown away. I like its rise and sweep.
50mm stem on my 3 bikes. You are not alone!I am perhaps the last 50mm stem user on earth
The only ones I can recall snapping a bit were some old Burgtec bars, from memory the internet blamed the series of Aluminium.......?I'd use it as a point of reference for finding some new ones if you can. Old aluminium isn't the issue if they've been kicking around the garage, sustained use however is a different matter.
Handlebars aren't cheap, but dental reconstructions are waaaaaay more expensive. Very few bar or stem failures go well.
Gotcha. Haven't used these bars in years, just kept them in storage.I'd use it as a point of reference for finding some new ones if you can. Old aluminium isn't the issue if they've been kicking around the garage, sustained use however is a different matter.
Handlebars aren't cheap, but dental reconstructions are waaaaaay more expensive. Very few bar or stem failures go well.
Grade of bong shed material more like! Burgtec's carbon bars don't even have the bar roll positioning markings put on straight and I once received a set of penthouse flats with two LEFT axles installed., from memory the internet blamed the series of Aluminium
I still don't understand the hassle around burgtec. Their design is mid pack at best and their prices are well above the quality they deliver.Grade of bong shed material more like! Burgtec's carbon bars don't even have the bar roll positioning markings put on straight and I once received a set of penthouse flats with two LEFT axles installed.
They are really sound guys though.
But but those colour matched stem, spacers pedals and seat clamps? You do love them, do you? So many nuances, there must be one that speaks to your karma for sureI still don't understand the hassle around burgtec.
I'm Henry Ford's perfect customer: I'll buy everything you have to offer, as long as it's well priced and available in any shade of black.But but those colour matched stem, spacers pedals and seat clamps? You do love them, do you? So many nuances, there must be one that speaks to your karma for sure
They're a bro brand. Their MK1 pedals were strong, worked well and timed well on release. Took until Mk3 to get them actually good. And the composites are the best components period.I still don't understand the hassle around burgtec. Their design is mid pack at best and their prices are well above the quality they deliver.
Ah I guess when I say 'oversteer' I'm referring to a small input translating into a larger movement at the wheel. But I see what you mean.Huh. Oversteer usually means the rear end breaking loose and starting to come around, but it sounds like you're talking more about a floppy front wheel at slow speeds..? I've always thought that was more an issue of slack head angle and rearward weight bias but that's more in the context of climbing. Sure wider bars could contribute by exaggerating input, but I'm not one to weigh in on that, for the most part I avoid skinnies like the plague.
The only bars I've ever broken or snapped apart myself were a set of Kore back in the day. I've bent a couple of others in crashes - Azonic and Easton ones. I've got Chromag on both bikes now because I like the feel (although I'll die on this hill - I swear the 31.8 clamp ones have nicer sweep than the 35mm even they they claim they're the same). Normally replace them about every three years if I';m using them for DH or Enduro.The only ones I can recall snapping a bit were some old Burgtec bars, from memory the internet blamed the series of Aluminium.......?
I've only ever had issues with 4130 and carbon bars.
I have a Goldtec Draco hub, it was so awesome, you had to put your little finger through the fork to hold the loose spacer between the bearings so you could get the axle through. It was probably better than the Middleburn where the end caps fell off every time you removed the wheel from the fork, oh and the 9mm rear axle, that was weird.They're a bro brand. Their MK1 pedals were strong, worked well and timed well on release. Took until Mk3 to get them actually good. And the composites are the best components period.
Everything else. I 100% agree with you.
decent logo tho.
Remember Goldtec? Same Welsh manufacturer. Less cool owner (Manon's Dad) less Broey. Shit logo. eventually failed.
It's kinda how this industry works.
I'm still using an Easy Do 142x12 hub on my hardtail! Probably 6 or 7 years old now. But I think I'm not hard on components like you guys and there was a time when I barely rode. Biggest impact was a 5 foot nose dive to flat.I have a Godtec Draco hub, it was so awesome, you had to put your little finger through the fork to hold the loose spacer between the bearings so you could get the axle through. It was probably better than the Middleburn where the end caps fell off every time you removed the wheel from the fork, oh and the 9mm rear axle, that was weird.
Was the Sam hub the oil filled one?I had Goldtec Draco and Sam DH hubs back in the day, I lived in wales, they were a Welsh brand, I wouldn’t hear a bad word about them.
They sorted me out with a free spacer for the front hub so I could get a hope mini to work, plus they sent me a milled dial to replace the crappy plasticy lever for the “climb switch” on my marzocchi drop off. I forget what the actual term Marz used for it was, but it progressively locked your fork travel down, giving you a lower AtoC measurement and a god awful rebound speed and top out clunk. A truly awful innovation that I loved at the time.
Pace, Marzocchi, Goldtec, X-Lite, Funn, Azonic, Titec, IRC… I had a lot of components from brands which have now ceased trading, or are alive in name only and are a completely different product now.
Yup, had a greaseport right in the middle, almost impossible to access with a standard grease gun once laced up with 34 spokesWas the Sam hub the oil filled one?