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Has America come full circle? (religious persecution)

jonKranked

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Ok so this has been a thought bouncing around in my head for a while now. For those of you living under rocks or in una-bomber style shacks, the christian's have gotten into the White House and are running amok. Bush has been pushing faith based initiatives for some time now. From pushing abstinence only programs to using christian references in regards to fighting the war on terror, it seems that religious persecution has made quite a comeback. I know that we have separation of church and state (supposedly) but it seems as if this concept has fallen to the wayside with the Bush administration. Now what I find most interesting is that the United States was founded by people who had left England in order to escape religious persecution (although in modern times it is not quite as extreme). They came here so they could start a new life and freely practice whatever religion they so desired, although this isn't the only reason, it is a very common one (and applies moreso to the earlier settlers than the later). It seems as if America is becoming a nation driven by an idea it was founded to eliminate. Has anyone else made this connection or have any ideas or thoughts on the subject?
 

Old Man G Funk

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jonKranked said:
Ok so this has been a thought bouncing around in my head for a while now. For those of you living under rocks or in una-bomber style shacks, the christian's have gotten into the White House and are running amok. Bush has been pushing faith based initiatives for some time now. From pushing abstinence only programs to using christian references in regards to fighting the war on terror, it seems that religious persecution has made quite a comeback. I know that we have separation of church and state (supposedly) but it seems as if this concept has fallen to the wayside with the Bush administration. Now what I find most interesting is that the United States was founded by people who had left England in order to escape religious persecution (although in modern times it is not quite as extreme). They came here so they could start a new life and freely practice whatever religion they so desired, although this isn't the only reason, it is a very common one (and applies moreso to the earlier settlers than the later). It seems as if America is becoming a nation driven by an idea it was founded to eliminate. Has anyone else made this connection or have any ideas or thoughts on the subject?
Don't forget the Orwellian twist. The Xtians assert that they are the ones being persecuted.
 

jonKranked

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Old Man G Funk said:
Don't forget the Orwellian twist. The Xtians assert that they are the ones being persecuted.

Yea, someone is always gonna pi$$ someone else off. The Bush admin is just case in point. But they aren't the only ones guilty of pushing Christian views in non-religious settings.
 

Old Man G Funk

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jonKranked said:
Yea, someone is always gonna pi$$ someone else off. The Bush admin is just case in point. But they aren't the only ones guilty of pushing Christian views in non-religious settings.
Of course not. There are quite a few think tanks out there that specifically try to push Xtian views on the rest of the public. Focus on the Family, Discovery Institute, etc. And, we see the issues come up in many places, like evolution, climate change, abortion, sex education, etc. If a group like the Dominionists ever gains control of this country, we will all be in big trouble.
 

Bearmntpicnic

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if you are reffering to the puritans, they came to America so they could be pure and escape the unpure churches of england they werent being prusecuted at all. They wanted to come to America to set up a state just the way god wanted it to be, they were sepratists. I mean they loved god more than their wives.
 

laura

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N8 said:
Well, whatdaya know... America is largly a christian country... whoda thunk it.

alright mr cut and paste. I want to see stats on religious affiliation in the country. Not because I don't believe you, but because I am curious and lazy at the same time.
 

Old Man G Funk

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N8 said:
Well, whatdaya know... America is largly a christian country... whoda thunk it.
And this country has certain mechanisms in place that are there to protect the rights of the minority and not allow the majority to trample those rights.
 

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Old Man G Funk said:
And this country has certain mechanisms in place that are there to protect the rights of the minority and not allow the majority to trample those rights.

Aww... are your widdle wites being twampled on today..???
 

Old Man G Funk

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N8 said:
Aww... are your widdle wites being twampled on today..???
Actually, it's quite a few people's rights. Those rights also protect Xtians from having their rights trampled. There would be quite a few unhappy Xtians if the Dominionists controlled this country.
 

N8 v2.0

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laura said:
No, 76.5% of the 50,000 people surveyed by phone for the NSRI and ARIS are christian. FYI, telephone surveys are fundamentally flawed and one of the weakest form of survey.
I think the numbers are reasonably close...
 

Secret Squirrel

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N8 said:
Well, whatdaya know... America is largly a christian country... whoda thunk it.
Doesn't matter what the predominant religion is....It's empire building as a common practice that is screwing everything up...

Man of faith gets paritioners, congregation grows, bigger and better things come along...funds for a bigger church, more paritioners, repeat ad naseum.....

Eventually, the pressure is so great to keep adding to the congregation, so that growth will continue, that the original message is lost.

Mind you, this is not the rule, but there are many exceptions where this is true....I've seen it too many times to count where I live, and it's just not pretty. All of a sudden you have a mob mentality in a community just because....
 

Old Man G Funk

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laura said:
i'm not arguing, I just refuse to let you mis-represent data in anyway shape or form. :p
Do you mean that this may be a country whose inhabitants are predominantly Xtian, but N8's use of "This is a Christian country" is incorrect?
 

DirtyDog

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N8 said:
Wrong-o... yet again.!

Christianity is far less obtrusive now than it has ever been in the history of the US.
Says N8 the all-knowing....
 

BurlyShirley

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This thread is retarded. Anyone that thinks religion plays MORE of a role now than it did 100 years ago is a RETARD.
 

Old Man G Funk

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N8 said:
Religion has finally been pretty much banned from the classroom, courtroom and most of the government for the first time in our history.
How many atheists serve in our federal government? How many do you think could get elected? How many teachers have complained that they are pressured to gloss over evolution because they might offend parents' sensibilities? How many abortion clinics are under protest daily? How many gay marriage bans have been enacted? Why is "under god" in the pledge of allegiance? Why is god on our currency? Etc. etc. etc.
 

BurlyShirley

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Old Man G Funk said:
How many atheists serve in our federal government? How many do you think could get elected? How many teachers have complained that they are pressured to gloss over evolution because they might offend parents' sensibilities? How many abortion clinics are under protest daily? How many gay marriage bans have been enacted? Why is "under god" in the pledge of allegiance? Why is god on our currency? Etc. etc. etc.
Imagine that. The majority is electing people they share beleifs with in a representative democracy. Amazing.
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
Imagine that. The majority is electing people they share beleifs with in a representative democracy. Amazing.
And their beliefs have oh so much to do with a gov. that is supposed to be secular and separate from those beliefs. It's also a gov. that guarantees no religious test be used before someone can take office, but the people have found a way to circumvent that, haven't they? Many of those same people think that they have the right to force their religion down everyone else's throat, and if you deny them then somehow you are denying their rights.