Just more "swiftboating."
There are a lot of good guys who never get out of flight school.
Hastert Lectures McCain on War, Sacrifice
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There are a lot of good guys who never get out of flight school.
Am I swiftboating or the uncle's email?
I think he meant the posters in the thread saying he would be a bad leader simply because he was a bad pilot. There is a lot more to the story than that...
Well the swiftboating has gone international
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Didn't he need a new ultralight at some point too?
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Didn't he need a new ultralight at some point too?
I think he would be a bad leader for a variety of reasons. But I also find it funny that he destroyed 4x the number of planes in a short flight career than a majority of naval pilots destroy in a lifetime.
to be fair, i'd venture to suggest that the 40-early 60's vintage a aircraft maccain had incidents with can not be compared to the mechanical and maintenance reliability of US Naval aircraft of the 80's-today.
not really an good apples to apples comparison really, imo
k, ur talkin our ur ass...
teh B-52 model still flying is the B-52H built between 1961-1963. the H model spent the majority of it's like on standby alert loaded with tatical weapons. The hours on the airframe is quite low and as a SAC aircraft it was very well maintained and inspected.
quite different than the carrier operated combat aircraft mccain was flying.
Its an outlier. Just noting that there are plenty of decent airplanes from that time and they've been maintained well enough to be in service until this day. From private to commercial to defense.
Regardless its not one crash but many. You can't get "lucky" that many times.
Regardless its not one crash but many. You can't get "lucky" that many times.
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I agree that 2 of them were beyond his control. But I have a hard time imagining that crashing 3 aircraft in non-combat situations is a normal stat for military pilots even over a career. My stall question was somewhat rhetorical as I would assume that in a non-combat situation the only way to achieve too high an angle of attack would be flying as you describe above.
On the one hand, I know that being an aggressive risk-taker is a positive attribute in a fighter pilot, AND we all did stupid **** when we were young that we grew out of. On the other, this record seems pretty extreme, and there is a difference between a calculated risk-taker and a rash one - I would expect the difference in record to be in-combat crashes vs non-combat.
I don't think this record is central to McCain's ability to govern, but I do think it is one piece of the puzzle and I'm unwilling to accept BS explanations that his record is perfectly normal.
One crash was in combat; one was a freak accident.
The other three were:
- On carrier, practicing in 1958 - non-combat, and being in Corpus Christi I would assume there was plenty of time to spend maintaining the aircraft to be used for practice.
- On carrier (?), practice flight - non-combat, and being in Spain, nowhere near combat. Again, plenty of time and resources to be maintaining these planes.
- Off carrier, trainer aircraft - by definition non-combat, and I would assume trainers are kept in meticulous mechanical condition. Maybe he was evading some geese.
Again, I don't think this is that critical to his political capabilities, but don't try to bull**** me and tell me McCain wasn't a ****up of a pilot and that these crashes were perfectly normal and beyond his control.
Dude, he was 7th in his graduating class!
Oh wait, he was 7 from the bottom, not the top. Sorry.
meh, ok.
intuitve self-preservation logic would dictate that a pilot would avoid crashing his aircraft if possible.
for me, i find obama's ACORN ties far more telling of his political capabilities than if maybe mccain crashed his own planes.
That's not really McCain's fault. He thought the leaderboard worked like it does in golf...
Did you not live through your teens? Did you just spontaneously appear one day in a puddle of alien goo as your current flaccid, metro, over-the-right-wing-hill self?
In that case, perhaps you have at some point *met* some boyz in their late teens and early 20s?
(I think it's hilarious that page 1 of a google image search for "stupid frat boy" turns up ALL shots of GWB)
