Has anybody tried both? what are the ups and down of each and what would be recommended, Im probably gunna go 6 inch cause I ride a lot of urban but my mechanicals arent cuttin it when it comes to the "feel" department
Hayes HFX mag plus VS avid juicy 7
- Thread starter Freeride Burke
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If you're riding avid mechs, you can tune them for whatever feel you want. If you set them up for 100% power and efficiency, they're grabby as hell, but if you want to de-tune them, it's simple...run the stationary pad further in from the rotor than you're supposed to. This lets the power come on smoother as the moving pad contacts the rotor first, then has to flex it a tad to hit the inboard pad.
If I was getting hydro brakes for street riding, I'd get Shimano Deores or a set of the Diatech anchors. Those things feel GOOD, I swear to god. Can't attest to the long-term reliability, but I was really impressed when I rode a bike with a set of them.
MD
If I was getting hydro brakes for street riding, I'd get Shimano Deores or a set of the Diatech anchors. Those things feel GOOD, I swear to god. Can't attest to the long-term reliability, but I was really impressed when I rode a bike with a set of them.
MD
One would hope soska todd said:
Yes. Ive been using my set for my urban/jump bike for over 2 years and they work great. Good for trialsy urban stuff too. Grabby.MikeD said:
I would Hope so too :evil:The Kadvang said:One would hope so
I think the obvious question here is, where is the urban and freeriding in Burke?
i have tried hfx9's, mags and now i have avid juicy 7 by far the best feeling out of those. pleanty of modulation, easy to bleed and awsome stopping power. Unless you want to build a light xc bike there is no need for cf.
UghBrian HCM#1 said:
How could I miss that one?
RookieThe Kadvang said:Ugh
My avids are grabby enough, but rolling endos become a little sketchy with the inconsistent grab of the mech's, after like 20 feet they get these really grabby moments where it has cost me a few scratches on my Imp SL. So I was lookin for the best hydro's. I know the Mag pluses are more of an XC brake but I have heard the wave rotors help dissipate heat better and with the CF they look real trick.
I'd just get plain 6" Mags if that's what you want...no HFX-9s if you want consistent performance. If you want trick levers, maybe look at some aftermarkets; the wave rotors aren't going to do you any real good. Then again, if you have the cash,the Mag Plus IS a nice brake.
Yeah, what he said.MikeD said:
Just get the 6 inch Mags, that is all you need for what you want.
I have both the Mags and the Mags Plus on my 5-spot.
Those Mag Plus brakes belong on a street bike about as much as a Sid.
And if those curvy rotors were better, they would come in 8 inch versions and
be on our DH bikes.
If I can jump in here for a second, I'd say the biggest difference between the Mag Plus and the Juicy 7 is that you can actually buy the Mag Plus right now. BTI and QBP haven't been able to get any Juicy 7's in many, many months, possibly a year. They're OEM only at this point, other than a few gigantic buyers that are going direct from Avid.
Damn James, always getting all practical on us!! Way to be an e-buzzkill!!
If what you're saying is true, I bet those Hayes stop way better. As compared to virtual Avids.
If what you're saying is true, I bet those Hayes stop way better. As compared to virtual Avids.
Ok well let's take the avid's out of the picture. Which hayes 6 inch should I get, I have plenty of cash right now and my Imp SL is in need of some bling. So with the bling in mind, basically everything on my bike is black except for my cranks and seatpost. Is there any difference between the mags and the hfx-9 except for the levers and coming prebled? I want the mags, but they are 140 at jenson, the hfx is 100, if im goign to spend the extra 40 bucks for the mags, then why not spend the extra 25 for the mag pluses?
Go Mags....they are awesome (IMO)
Don't bother wasting money on the HFX9 brakes. The levers are total garbage, unless you absolutely can not afford the price difference and need a cheap set of hydraulic discs. The Mags are still my favorite brake, and the Plus doesn't have any drawbacks other than it's only available in 6". They have a bunch of Ti hardware to cut weight, they have the mud-cutter rotor, and the carbon blade is a lot more comfortable than the stocker.
A) You simply do not need the Mag Plus for street.Freeride Burke said:
B) I would assume that they will not hold up to impacts as well as
regular Mags, but since I have never broke my Mag Plus brakes, that is just an assumption.
I also realize that both A and B don't mean squat when you got $ in your pocket and a fever for bling, and the only thing that will cure it, is the Mag Plus brakes or more cowbell.
There are several brand new sets of Avid juicy 7s and 5s on ebay right now for the same price as the regular hayes mags.
HFX-9s are inconsistent brakes. I'd go so far as to call them terrible. So the extra $40 is well-spent, and if you're willing to cough up $165 per brake, you shouldn't think at all about the HFX-9s.Freeride Burke said:
The extra $$ for the Mag Plus brakes is purely your choice and 75% cosmetic. Don't think you'll notice any weight differences while riding unless they're part of an overall weight reduction package.
MD
Sweet, Ill be orderin the mag pluses after thanksgiving. The mudcutters dont make a huge difference, but I rode the mags and the mag pluses yesterday and the carbon fiber feels wicked nice on the fingers for some reason and they look sweet. Ill let you all know how it goes, Ill have some pics of my evil with the avids on the forum after thanksgiving as well so look for it, my buddy just picked up one for himself the other day.
I'm riding the Shimano 525, which is basically a Deore but with standard Hayes style adapter in stead of those pesky shims. Compared to my Hayes, the brakes have a better feel, offer much more modulation, and are extrememly reliable. In fact, I am now riding the 525's on my downhill bike. Over the summer I rode Northstar several times with the 525's on the M1, and had no problems. The 525's came stock on a few Rocky Mountain bikes, as well as a couple Specialized. As far as urban use goes, the 6" rotor is pretty burly, and offers the perfect amount of modulation with a superb feel. Bleeding is straight forward. The only downside is the soft organic pads, I go through a pair every three months per brake, on average. However, I ride at least 150 miles a week.
Those Hayes with the carbon levers are pretty good, too. However, with the price comparison, the 525's would be a great choice. The carbon levers on the Hayes are very comfortable, and several of my friends are riding those levers on their DH bikes. Oh, those Avid Juicy's don't offer a whole lot of modulation, btw. At least, not the ones I rode. Good luck!
Those Hayes with the carbon levers are pretty good, too. However, with the price comparison, the 525's would be a great choice. The carbon levers on the Hayes are very comfortable, and several of my friends are riding those levers on their DH bikes. Oh, those Avid Juicy's don't offer a whole lot of modulation, btw. At least, not the ones I rode. Good luck!
Juicy 7s are far and away the most powerful brake I've ever ridden. A mate has a set on his SGS, and bloody hell those things have some bite to them. They are so powerful that it's more like playing video games, you simply press however hard you need, rather than actually "grabbing" the brake as such. Makes every other brake I've tried feel absolutely gutless in comparison. They also have the nicest lever feel, lever shape and adjustments of anything on the market. Unbeatable IMO.
Figures, as soon as I post something about how they're never available they suddenly appear on the shelves of distributors.dlb said:
Anyway good luck with your Mag+ set, I'd buy them just for the shiny Ti hardware
Has anyone tried the juicy 5s? Do you think there would be a loss of power compared to the juicy 7s? Or are the only real differences the pad contact adjustment and lever clamp?
I'm also interested in trying out some J5 brakes, anyone have experience?