[fluff]

Comprehension is 9/10ths of reading. I actually said "Fixed, and that's because Brittain has spent the last few hundred years taking these countries natural resources and not building infrastructure."

You know, pesky things like schools, hospitals, communication, water, roads, airports...

They have been building those since they gained freedom, but it is taking a large portion of their GNP just to bring them up to last century.

But I forgot, in your eyes any country outside of the US would never harm another country.

Squirmer.

 

[JohnE]

Holy Hammer and Sickle JohnE, your speaking in revolutionary tounge!

Shhhh...my inner leftist comes out now and again...

 

[rockwool]

Um, no. US Colonies

C'mon man, anything south of your border (dunno about Canada..) is viewed as a colony. They are called sovereign countries but I don't care what you brand them, they are treated very much like colonies.

 

[rockwool]

He said: "by taking all their resources, then left them with nothing." He should learn to speak betta if that's not what he meant.

I read that as a figurative speach. Brittain has effed the world over for several hundred years now, even though they calmed down from 1946 onwards.

All countries that have had colonies has sucked major money from them and giving in comparison "nothing" back. Exploitation was a word with a positive ring to it up until just a few decades ago (among some people possibly even still today..). The colonies were there to be used as the master wished.



About Jamaica, a few years ago I met a rasta who was about 55-65 years old, and who btw had played in Culture, who told me that when he was a kid the Brittish were stupifying people through the educational system. As an example he gave me, they were tought that a cow had jumped over the moon. Anything to keep people ignorant...

 

[rockwool]

Shhhh...my inner leftist comes out now and again...

Shiieeet, you'll be burnin' the US flag soon too... If you felt an earth quake after you wrote that it is Joseph McCarthy waking up to hunt you down.

 

[Changleen]

I read that as a figurative speach. Brittain has effed the world over for several hundred years now, even though they calmed down from 1946 onwards.

It's true we ****ed a lot of people and countries over pretty well. However to claim nothing was given/built/created in return is stupid. India is a great example. Railways, hospitals, schools, hell a lot of entire town centres are still basically British built.

About Jamaica, a few years ago I met a rasta who was about 55-65 years old, and who btw had played in Culture, who told me that when he was a kid the Brittish were stupifying people through the educational system. As an example he gave me, they were tought that a cow had jumped over the moon. Anything to keep people ignorant...

LMAO.

 

[rockwool]

It's true we ****ed a lot of people and countries over pretty well. However to claim nothing was given/built/created in return is stupid. India is a great example. Railways, hospitals, schools, hell a lot of entire town centres are still basically British built.

LMAO.

"WE"??? I thought you was Kiwi?


That rasta dude sure didn't find it amuzing..

And while I'm at it, get the F out of Cyprus!

 

[Changleen]

"WE"??? I thought you was Kiwi?

Nope. I am British born, but I've lived in the States (why I'm on here) and now I live in NZ. One day I'm going to live in France in the Alps.

That rasta dude sure didn't find it amuzing..

Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon,
The little dog laughed to see such sport,
And the dish ran away with the spoon.

Nursery rhymes dude. He must have been held back a few times.

And while I'm at it, get the F out of Cyprus!

We're in Cypress?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Nope. I am British born.

Well....that explains everything.

 

[Jeremy R]

Nursery rhymes dude. He must have been held back a few times.

That's how he ended up a rasta.
I bet he also believed that they made little old ladies live in a shoe.

 

[rockwool]

Nope. I am British born, but I've lived in the States (why I'm on here) and now I live in NZ. One day I'm going to live in France in the Alps.

Whaa, the downhilling is better in the Alps? I thought NZ was magic?

Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon,
The little dog laughed to see such sport,
And the dish ran away with the spoon.

Nursery rhymes dude. He must have been held back a few times.

No man, that's that Seattle grunge band Ugly Kid Joe.

We're in Cypress?

If you're in mourning?? Well, I would if I was English.

 

[rockwool]

That's how he ended up a rasta.
I bet he also believed that they made little old ladies live in a shoe.

Rasta's are some really knowledgable and humble people. It's more than a fashion hair doo..

 

[DaveW]

lim (x->colony ID day year) f(x)= UK stole/UK spend infraestructure= 0

Hmm I'd say that NZ came out Waaaaaaay ahead of the uk if you use that calculation. irate2:

*edit* infact in post WW2 trade we totally screwed the poms over in lamb and dairy trade. (till the EU came along).
it was that lucrative that NZ had the worlds highest standard of living for awhile a currency worth more than the US greenback and unemployment that was below 100 people!!
Not like that now of course.....that was back in the 1950's.

Personally I recon we got a pretty damn good deal out of it.

 

[Changleen]

Whaa, the downhilling is better in the Alps? I thought NZ was magic?

You gotta do everything. I love the skiing in the Alps better than anywhere else I've been.

 

[DaveW]

Rasta's are some really knowledgable and humble people. It's more than a fashion hair doo..

Rasta's are no different from any other social grouping....Some smart some stupid........ some to stoned to know what year it is.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

No man, that's that Seattle grunge band Ugly Kid Joe.

And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon
Little boy blue and the man on the moon.
When you comin home son, I don't know when.
We'll get together then.

 

[JohnE]

Dude, Harry Chapin. Sheesh...

 

[rockwool]

Rasta's are no different from any other social grouping....Some smart some stupid........ some to stoned to know what year it is.

Sure, every team has its forwards, midfield and the line in the back. But some teams win Champions League and some play in Stockholm's 8th division... Some countries poplulations excell in some things that other don't and the other way around. Jamaicans excell in relaxing and bob-sleading.

The same goes for social groups. I've found rasta's awareness of the worlds political system excell compared to politicians, even though the latter are working with it daily.
Of course, that don't mean they don't fault like the rest of us.

 

[DRB]

What I find funny is that Chavez and Bush should be best of buddies because they really do believe in governing in the same way. Judges should do what the executive tells them to do, the Press should never disagree with or be independent of the government, fiscal policy aimed at long term distruction of their country and enactment of laws without Congressional consent.

Though I'm not sure why Chavez needs to bypass his Congress as much as Bush does, saying there is no opposition representation in the National Assembly.

Hell if they could take the best parts of the two countries in their minds it would produce the perfect government. A totaltarian state with the ability to project power anywhere it wished.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16876033/

In its latest draft, the law would allow Chavez to dictate measures for 18 months in 11 broad areas, from the "economic and social sphere" to the "transformation of state institutions."

I'm so making Bush jealous.

Though I thought socialism was about giving the power to the people? I guess I misunderstood that day.

 

[fluff]

Though I thought socialism was about giving the power to the people? I guess I misunderstood that day.

Damn, I could have sworn that was democracy.

 

[DRB]

bet chavez is going to be looking to get one now.

http://www.talk.newsweek.com/politics/default.asp?item=464251

Watching the chaos below, Bush looked out the tractor's window and laughed, steering the massive machine into the spot where most of the press corps had been positioned.

 

[rockwool]

What I find funny is that Chavez and Bush should be best of buddies because they really do believe in governing in the same way. Judges should do what the executive tells them to do, the Press should never disagree with or be independent of the government, fiscal policy aimed at long term distruction of their country and enactment of laws without Congressional consent.

Though I'm not sure why Chavez needs to bypass his Congress as much as Bush does, saying there is no opposition representation in the National Assembly.

Hell if they could take the best parts of the two countries in their minds it would produce the perfect government. A totaltarian state with the ability to project power anywhere it wished.

I thought Bush's first decree was about that cell voting last year? If so, does that nessesarily mean he's good, or that his congress is just as effed?

Thing with Chavez is that he doesn't bypass his congress. They are the ones giving him this power for a limited time.

What's with the judges, I've missed that?

The press aren't allowed to disagree with Chavez's policies, or to be independent? http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1938

"fiscal policy aimed at long term distruction of their country" You're trippin. Is that what US mainstream media is pounding out to whip you into a frenzy about Chavez?

Cut from your MSNBC article:

Chavez calls it a new era of "maximum revolution," setting the tone for months of upheaval as he plans to nationalize companies, impose new taxes on the rich and reorient schools to teach socialist values. With near-religious fervor and plenty of oil wealth, Chavez is mobilizing millions of Venezuelans, intent on creating a more egalitarian society.

Striving for a more egalitarian society? Tax the rich? Spread the ownership of companies to every single citizen?
Does that sound like Bush's policies to you?

A Venezuelan woman in the capital Caracas buys food at a government-run supermarket, where prices are subsidized by the country's oil wealth and President Hugo Chavez's social programs.

What a bad guy, he cares and shares. A third world country that makes the riches country in the world look bad. That's what this is about...

Those who felt left out of the old system are thrilled at the prospect of having a voice in politics.

Ooo, how I wish that from my prime minister.

On a floodlit playground, neighbors meeting to discuss the new mechanics of power are feeling empowered by Chavez. As participants in a new Communal Council, they will get a direct say in spending on projects from public housing to better electricity to fixing potholes — decisions previously made by local governments.

"The country is headed for transformation, linked directly to all of us," Freddy Alvarez says into the microphone, describing the coming presidential decrees as a crucial step that will bring new "power to communities."

I can't argue against that eather.

"All of the power to the Communal Councils, power to the people," Chavez said in a recent speech. "It is the power of the revolution."

He's moving the power from the top of the pyramid to the bottom.

"Constitutional Reform" that could include ending presidential term limits.

We don't have that in Sweden eather. No biggie, seriously, just look at Clinton who's related to ~50% of the presidents... The thought of limiting term limits is good but it doesn't work in reality; another face, same sheit.

Chavez insists he will respect private property, he plans a new "luxury" tax on everything from second homes to art collections, and the rich will undoubtedly feel the pinch.

We can't care enough for those poor bastards. How nice it would be if the poor owned the media instead of the rich. Then they could write cute little articles about the problems of the rich, making them think that they was cared about, while the government simultainiously rased the taxes for them.

"They're blind," she says bitterly. "What he's forming is a dictatorship."

"I'd rather starve under a democracy under oligarch rule" she continued..

The Supreme Court's president, Omar Mora Diaz, has welcomed Chavez's plan to legislate by decree.

Ahh yes, the judges... No judge Rehnquist material in him, no sir! In the US we hand the presidency from the supreme court.

"We couldn't have more democracy," says Danny Albarran, one of several women in the slum of San Juan who like what they're getting from this revolution: free meals for schoolchildren, free checkups from a Cuban doctor and a state-run fitness program for the elderly.

It's them cubans again, spreading communism.

"If there is no popular participation, there will be no socialism," lawmaker Dario Vivas said at one meeting. "Socialism is, definitively, giving power to the people."

Zion is near!