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He shoulda renamed it Peckerwood....

Jim Mac

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Good job, Perry. Welcome to the big league, son:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/03/us/politics/perrys-link-to-n-word-place-name-puts-campaign-on-defensive.html?hp

The campaign of Gov. Rick Perry of Texas found itself on the defensive on Sunday over a report that he had hunted at and taken guests to a West Texas camp with a racially charged name that his father, and later Mr. Perry, had leased.


The Washington Post reported on Sunday that at least seven people it interviewed said the name for a portion of the property, Nxggerhead, was visible on the rock at the entrance “at different points in the 1980s and 1990s,” and that a former worker said he believed he had seen it as recently as three years ago.

The hunting camp is near the small town where Mr. Perry grew up. The Perry campaign did not dispute that the racial slur was used as a name for the property. But it issued a statement saying that the name was changed soon after Mr. Perry’s father, Ray, joined a lease that gave him hunting rights there almost 30 years ago.

The revelation was one more challenge confronting the Perry campaign just as it was left reeling from his comments during a recent debate in support of granting the children of some illegal immigrants in-state tuition at Texas state universities, remarks that he later retreated from.

Some recent polls have suggested a softening of support among Mr. Perry’s conservative base as he has faced more scrutiny of his record and the rest of the Republican field has been more aggressively turning its fire on him.

The latest flare-up also injected the issue of race into the Republican nominating fight, with one of Mr. Perry’s opponents, Herman Cain, seizing on the issue Sunday, saying there “isn’t a more vile, negative word than the N-word.”

“For him to leave it there as long as he did, until before, I hear, they finally painted over it, is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country,” Mr. Cain, who is black, said on “Fox News Sunday.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for the re-election campaign of President Obama, declined to comment on the specifics of the Texas matter. But he said it was an example of the challenges that candidates like Mr. Perry face.

“Campaigns are like an MRI for the soul — whoever you are, eventually people find out,” Mr. Axelrod said in an interview Sunday night. “Time will tell whether this comes to reflect him or not.”

Mr. Perry’s name was on the lease for the property from 1997 to 2007. The statement issued by his campaign spokesman, Ray Sullivan, said, “Perry’s father painted over offensive language on a rock soon after leasing the 1,000-acre parcel in the early 1980s.”

Mr. Sullivan added that neither the governor nor his family ever “owned, controlled or managed” the property, which he said was owned by a Texas charity called the Hendrick Home for Children. A Hendrick employee said on Sunday that she was not aware of the name and referred questions to her boss, who did not respond to a phone call seeking comment.

In an interview with The New York Times on Sunday, Wallar Overton, the son of Mr. Perry’s scoutmaster in his home county of Haskell, said the hunting camp had always been known by that name.

“It’s just what it was called from Day One,” Mr. Overton said. “I personally am not offended by the name, and I don’t like the word.”

“That’s just what people call it,” he said.

There seemed no dispute that the hunting pasture was once known by a racial epithet — as a number of topographical sites had once been, both in Texas and in other places — nor was there dispute that the epithet had been painted onto a rock on the property.

But for Mr. Perry, 61, the crucial issues for his candidacy will most likely be how he reacted to seeing the slur and the timing of its removal from the rock.

After Mr. Cain criticized the Texas governor, the Perry campaign issued another statement citing the governor’s “long and strong record of inclusiveness and appointing African-Americans to key state posts,” including the chief justice.

A close friend and ally of Mr. Perry, Cliff Johnson, who roomed with him in Austin when they were both state representatives, said that from the late 1980s to about a half-dozen years ago, he had gone hunting with Mr. Perry or others on pastureland covered by the hunting lease, though he said he could not be sure it was the same parcel that was the subject of the Post article.

Mr. Johnson, a senior adviser to Mr. Perry early in his term as governor, said he never had seen a rock with any racial slur on it, and that he had never heard Mr. Perry or any other member of the hunting parties refer to the land parcel that way or use racial epithets in conversation.

“I’ve hunted out there a couple of times, but I never saw the rock, and I never heard of the rock,” Mr. Johnson said. “It never entered our conversations.“

Fred McClure, a longtime friend of Mr. Perry, who called a reporter at the suggestion of a campaign official, said he once took an overnight trip to the camp in the late 1970s or early 1980s. He said he never saw any reference to any racial epithet on the property, though because he flew to the site with Mr. Perry he never saw the entrance, where the rock was said to be located.

Any suggestion that Mr. Perry is racist, added Mr. McClure, who is black, “is not only untrue but also extremely unfair.”

Mr. Sullivan, the Perry spokesman, also disputed “the implication that Rick Perry brought groups to the lease when the word on the rock was still visible.”

The Post, however, quoted Ronnie Brooks, a retired game warden, as saying the name was still on the rock when Mr. Perry began taking lawmakers to the camp, though he said the rock was later turned over.

“One year there’d be four or five” hunts hosted by Mr. Perry, Mr. Brooks told The Post. “The next might be 8 or 10, something like that. They’d cook, fish, might kill a wild hog and eat it. They’d just go there to relax and enjoy themselves. He was a very gracious host and, in my opinion, well thought of.”

Referring to the name on the rock, Mr. Brooks added, “I remember the first time I went through that pasture and saw that.”

“It kind of offended me, truthfully,” he said.
 

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Who would even want to join a hunting club that was full of racists? Personally just knowing that there were other people there (existing members) that were "cool" with that name would be a big red-flag that I wouldn't even want to associate with these folks.
 
Any suggestion that Mr. Perry is racist, added Mr. McClure, who is black, “is not only untrue but also extremely unfair.”
entrance stage left: token black guy saying white guy with NxggerHead ranch is not a racist.

“It’s just what it was called from Day One,” Mr. Overton said. “I personally am not offended by the name, and I don’t like the word.”

“That’s just what people call it,” he said.
yes, and don't mind this white cone hat i'm wearing either. :rolleyes:
 

X3pilot

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Yeah, cause it's cool to live in Indian Falls, pull for teams called the Redskins, Braves, ski at Squaw Valley. Yeah, goddamn racists. Things are called what they're called. We're all racists in some form or another. Bottom line comes down to how the man could possibly run the country, not where he hunted.

Clinton shot his loads at a camp called Monica, where's the outrage from fat white attention whores?
 

Jim Mac

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Yeah, cause it's cool to live in Indian Falls, pull for teams called the Redskins, Braves, ski at Squaw Valley. Yeah, goddamn racists. Things are called what they're called. We're all racists in some form or another. Bottom line comes down to how the man could possibly run the country, not where he hunted.

Clinton shot his loads at a camp called Monica, where's the outrage from fat white attention whores?
I'm just simply amazed that the dude didn't get ahead on this issue. It's either arrogance or stupidity (or a mixture of both!)
 

dante

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Yeah, cause it's cool to live in Indian Falls, pull for teams called the Redskins, Braves, ski at Squaw Valley. Yeah, goddamn racists. Things are called what they're called. We're all racists in some form or another. Bottom line comes down to how the man could possibly run the country, not where he hunted.

Clinton shot his loads at a camp called Monica, where's the outrage from fat white attention whores?
Just to be clear, do you really not get the difference between Indian Falls and Nxggerhead? Seriously?
 

Pesqueeb

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Just to be clear, do you really not get the difference between Indian Falls and Niggerhead? Seriously?
Fixed. Lets not dance around this, IMHO censoring the name trivializes the issue.


I'm with Dante on this. Seriously, go stand in a public area, yell out the word "Indian!", wait one minute and gauge peoples reactions. Now shout "Nigger!" and see what happens. Have someone take video.
 

X3pilot

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OK, so first, let me say that the point is, who among us could run for President with our pasts? You? You? No.

So, the fact that he hunted on a hunting camp called niggerhead, is that really a true indication of his ability to govern? So, if it came out that Obama had supported organizatons that supported the elimination of white people and overthrow the white controlled government and expressed it's hatred for whites, he wouldn't be a good president? Oh wait....
"You want freedom? You're gonna have to kill some crackers! You're gonna have to kill some of their babies!"

Those were the words of Minister King Samir Shabazz, also known as Maurice Heath, the New Black Panther Party's Philadelphia leader.

Shabazz is the same man the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.

Read more: 'Want freedom? Kill some crackers!' http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=175817#ixzz1ZrtAchG9
Same guy he campaigned with in 2007 in Selma, AL
So there are varying degrees of racism that make some less offensive than others?



So if I find redskin, squaw,or any other trivialization of Indian culture, that's not relevant because I didn't say nigger?
 

sanjuro

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OK, so first, let me say that the point is, who among us could run for President with our pasts? You? You? No.

So, the fact that he hunted on a hunting camp called niggerhead, is that really a true indication of his ability to govern? So, if it came out that Obama had supported organizatons that supported the elimination of white people and overthrow the white controlled government and expressed it's hatred for whites, he wouldn't be a good president? Oh wait....

Same guy he campaigned with in 2007 in Selma, AL
So there are varying degrees of racism that make some less offensive than others?



So if I find redskin, squaw,or any other trivialization of Indian culture, that's not relevant because I didn't say nigger?
You're quoting World Net Daily?

I remember the Black Panthers at the Philly polling place. If I was in Philadelphia, I would have gone down there in a suit and said I was from the Republican party and given them a check.
 

Pesqueeb

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OK, so first, let me say that the point is, who among us could run for President with our pasts? You? You? No.

<snip>


So if I find redskin, squaw,or any other trivialization of Indian culture, that's not relevant because I didn't say nigger?
Wait, are we talking about American Natives or Curry?

I bet anyone here (well, maybe not Dirt) has never spent a weekend with the Good Old Boys down @ a place with a name like "Niggerhead". I'd even go so far as to bet that most of us are less morally ambiguous the Governor Hee Haw.


You're quoting World Net Daily?
:stupid:

RenegadeRick sees what you did there.
 

dante

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OK, so first, let me say that the point is, who among us could run for President with our pasts? You? You? No.
That's why I'm not running for President.

X3pilot said:
So, the fact that he hunted on a hunting camp called niggerhead, is that really a true indication of his ability to govern? So, if it came out that Obama had supported organizatons that supported the elimination of white people and overthrow the white controlled government and expressed it's hatred for whites, he wouldn't be a good president? Oh wait....

Same guy he campaigned with in 2007 in Selma, AL
So there are varying degrees of racism that make some less offensive than others?
So....... Obama's justice dept (ie, NOT Obama) didn't prosecute this one guy who showed up to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights somewhere near the vicinity of a polling place, and you think that's an obvious connection similar to that between a father and son, right? Just want to be clear on that.

X3pilot said:
So if I find redskin, squaw,or any other trivialization of Indian culture, that's not relevant because I didn't say nigger?
When a group of white guys are screaming "SQUAW" or "REDSKIN" as they're dragging someone behind a pickup truck, then yes, you'll have a moral equivalency. Let me know when/if that ever happens...

Look, if this came out of the blue from a group or party that was known for it's racial tolerance and inclusiveness, it wouldn't be a big deal. The candidate could say "look, we all know that there are certain racist elements still around in this country that I don't agree with. When we started leasing this property we took steps to eliminate that because that's not what I believe, and it's not how I was raised. End of story."

But this is the party who thinks "Barack the Magic Negro" is a funny little ditty. It's the party of Rush Limbaugh who thinks it's reprehensible that Cain finds "Niggerhead" offensive. It's the party who has called for elimination of Affirmative Action programs, has made it harder for minorities to vote (voter ID laws, fewer polling places for urban areas, etc), and who pursued a "Southern Strategy" in a direct effort to appeal to racist individuals.

Do I think it's a huge deal? Not really. Do I think that it's a massive stumbling block for Perry to get anywhere near a presidential nomination. Maybe. Do I think that if Perry gets the nomination it's going to come up again, and again, and again in the presidential campaign? Oh you'd better believe it will...
 

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So, the fact that he hunted on a hunting camp called niggerhead, is that really a true indication of his ability to govern?
Just so it doesn't get missed. He didn't just go there. He OWNED the camp. Big difference between the two. If you OWN something it is in your power to change it. He didn't.
 

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OK, so first, let me say that the point is, who among us could run for President with our pasts? You? You? No.

So, the fact that he hunted on a hunting camp called niggerhead, is that really a true indication of his ability to govern? So, if it came out that Obama had supported organizatons that supported the elimination of white people and overthrow the white controlled government and expressed it's hatred for whites, he wouldn't be a good president? Oh wait....

Same guy he campaigned with in 2007 in Selma, AL
So there are varying degrees of racism that make some less offensive than others?

So if I find redskin, squaw,or any other trivialization of Indian culture, that's not relevant because I didn't say nigger?
First, I believe racism in 2011 is more deeply hidden than when the KKK was active. Every person knows what to say and what not to say in public, to a point where behavior and thought are in sync.

And frankly, as long as you act respectful, I don't really care how much you hate me or other minorities.

But Perry isn't the guy who is serving me dinner or filling my gastank. He decides on a state's laws and is trying to lead an entire country.

I don't hang out in whites-only enclaves, and the people who I have met who might are usually weak in the head.

As for the other one, you picked the weakest link in modern day political correctness, sports teams with Indian names. Yes, teams with names like Redskins are racist, but I believe the names were chosen out of respect, not ridicule. But even if I am wrong, these names are so widely known, any movement to change them has utterly failed.

Is it because Washington fans hate Native Americans?
 

kidwoo

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So, the fact that he hunted on a hunting camp called niggerhead,

........is relevant because he OWNED the property and didn't change the name.

He's a moron, you really don't get that?


Of course you think a branch of the administration making a decision on free speech is the same thing as the exectutive himself belonging to and 'supporting' the group so maybe not.
 

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There are no racists in America, everyone knows that.

****ing niggers complaining about the racial slurs we choose to use. They are the real racists, you know...what gives them the right to be offended by my choice of words? I guess if I was a welfare collecting drug addict like they are, I'd have time to care. But I don't, because I'm white and God clearly wouldn't have given me all these advantages unless I was actually a superior person.

Seriously though, let's pretend I bought a bike that had an ethnic slur painted on it. Assuming that I was blind and didn't see it before I bought it, what's the first thing you'd think I'd do?
 
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X3pilot

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Ok, lookit, I know you guys will pick apart any viewpoint that's not your own, and I respect that. What my point is that it's impossible for anyone to escape something they did, right or wrong, corrected or not in their past. Bill smoked dope and inhaled (or not), Little Bush was a drinker, Obama hung out with a racist preacher, who after it all came out, shunned him, even though he had the power to tell the Reverend his views were wrong long before (anyone see what I did there?) Perry has this, Christie would have his donut infatuation, on and on and on...bottom line, at what pint do you forgive someone their past mistakes and judge them soley on their ability to run the country? Never? Fine, then let's make the elections more like America's Got Talent or American Idol. And for what it's worth, I wasn't planning on voting for Perry, through my family, I've been able to see what he's done for Texas. No thanks on the national level.

Do I think that's an appropraite name for the hunting club, no. Do I like names like Redskins etc, no? And for the record for the joke about Indian being tribal or curry, ask a real native and ask them what they prefer to be called. Most will not like Native American, but Cherokee, Apache, Iroquois, Delaware, etc, etc.
 

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Ok, lookit, I know you guys will pick apart any viewpoint that's not your own, and I respect that. What my point is that it's impossible for anyone to escape something they did, right or wrong, corrected or not in their past. Bill smoked dope and inhaled (or not), Little Bush was a drinker, Obama hung out with a racist preacher, who after it all came out, shunned him, even though he had the power to tell the Reverend his views were wrong long before (anyone see what I did there?) Perry has this, Christie would have his donut infatuation, on and on and on...bottom line, at what pint do you forgive someone their past mistakes and judge them soley on their ability to run the country?
Sure. We all have our.....foibles. Personally, I could really give two sh*t's what Governor Hee Haw wants to call his country estate. I'm actually of the opinion that this is just another made up nontreversy, probably propagated by someone on the right in someone elses campaign. There is nothing going on here besides someone trying to make hay. I'm more concerned by the fact that Perry is obviously retarded. We've already had a texas retard run this country.

Never? Fine, then let's make the elections more like America's Got Talent or American Idol.
It would be nice if the american people actually paid that much attention.
 

kidwoo

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I don't think Perry is going to secret KKK meetings or anything, this is just one in a long LONG LOOOOOONNG list of things that proves he's just another dumb twangy white simpleton who can't think past his next photo op. And THAT has everything to do with how he'd perform the job as (eesh, I can barely type this) president.
 

Silver

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It's not like this guy was Palin, either, plucked from the depths of obscurity because she put a thrill up Bill Kristol's leg.

He's been a politician in Texas for many many many years. Governor for more than 10 years. No one ever pointed out to him that maybe that rock was in bad taste? There's no way everyone in Texas is that dumb. It's a big state.
 

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Equivalent enough for you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tearshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
They had pickup trucks in 1830? (Did you really just reach back almost 200 years to try to find some moral equivalency?)

And yes, if this had been called "Injunhead" I probably would've reacted the same. The point is that racism is well noted in both the south as well as the Republican Party, and when you have a Southern Republican governor owning a hunting ground called "Niggerhead"there's something that merits further investigation...

I know that you've often called me out on my geographical bias, but at the same time you can't overlook the historical context here. This isn't occurring in a vacuum.
 
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I'm a bit fascinated by racism discussions amongst people from non-Southern parts of the country. To me you all seem so insulated against from what here is very much in the open. As disgusted by racial slurs as I often am, I have to remind myself that its's an unavoidable aspect of living in the South. Those of us more culturally/racially tolerant cannot afford the luxury of of disassociating from racist fvcktards. It's too deeply ingrained in our culture.

However the one almost respect worthy aspect of this situation is that most Southern racist that I personally know are very up front about it. At least with them there is no grey area. You no exactly where you stand with them. This, as appalling as it is, to me, more palatable than the inward, behind your back racism found outside the South.
 

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Ok, lookit, I know you guys will pick apart any viewpoint that's not your own, and I respect that. What my point is that it's impossible for anyone to escape something they did, right or wrong, corrected or not in their past. Bill smoked dope and inhaled (or not), Little Bush was a drinker, Obama hung out with a racist preacher, who after it all came out, shunned him, even though he had the power to tell the Reverend his views were wrong long before (anyone see what I did there?) Perry has this, Christie would have his donut infatuation, on and on and on...bottom line, at what pint do you forgive someone their past mistakes and judge them soley on their ability to run the country? Never? Fine, then let's make the elections more like America's Got Talent or American Idol. And for what it's worth, I wasn't planning on voting for Perry, through my family, I've been able to see what he's done for Texas. No thanks on the national level.

Do I think that's an appropraite name for the hunting club, no. Do I like names like Redskins etc, no? And for the record for the joke about Indian being tribal or curry, ask a real native and ask them what they prefer to be called. Most will not like Native American, but Cherokee, Apache, Iroquois, Delaware, etc, etc.
Actually, I'm not that bothered by the name of his camp. Unless someone who swam at Negro Bill Canyon in Moab has something to say.

Mostly, I want to see how politicians react and recover to stuff like this.
 

kidwoo

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Have you ever lived in the South ?
Hey silver, you want to take this one? :rofl:


Grew up in north florida (IE: georgia) and went to college in atlanta. Drank often in louisianna and mountain biked and 'skied' frequently in the carolinas. I've stayed in every single state south of the mason dixon multiple times. Even lived in baltimore for 3 years. I moved out of the south when I was 25.
 

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........is relevant because he OWNED the property and didn't change the name.

He's a moron, you really don't get that?


Of course you think a branch of the administration making a decision on free speech is the same thing as the exectutive himself belonging to and 'supporting' the group so maybe not.
You really can't see broad stroke comparisons can you? How do you know he's a moron? You've sat and talked to him personally, or are you judging strictly by what you read. The comparison is this: Perry owning/hunting at a camp called Niggerhead is as racist as Obama associating with a known racist organization and that doesn't even include his very racist pastor/mentor.

Fvck it, I give up on this one. Kid, go read the rest of my posts, I never intended to defend Perry or crucify Obama, my point is do we collectively let things like this be a major determining factor in choosing politicians, that's all.
 

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They had pickup trucks in 1830? (Did you really just reach back almost 200 years to try to find some moral equivalency?)
Dante, please tell me you did not just trivialize the relocation of the Cherokee nation to try to stick a jab at me defending my point? And am I actually morally equalizing dragging blacks behind a truck with the atrocities that have occurred to the native people? Um, yeah...all day long.