great...pressure treated lumber in the National Forest as ramps. So I guess someone didn't get the memo about the Hick Hucksters getting prosecuted for that stuff?
Seriously...that's gonna screw us all up. Why take lumber in? So that when a ranger who isn't in a good mood finds it, we can get banned?
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Not blastin' your vid. Good video. You guys are way more patient than me to setup and film...I'd have already been in the truck with the engine running for another run.
There were reports, and evidence of a professional trail crew working all over the Wilson's Creek area of the forest. New bridges, drainage work, big trees being removed, some pretty advanced stuff (from a trail work perspective, not as in "stunts" of any kind). I noticed all kinds of drainage work done on both Greentown plunge and the climb out to Beehive. In addition they had cut some trees and laid them on the downslope of some caving in corners to catch further slides. There was some nice rock work done at the big rock on Greentown as well. It might have been done at that time...great...pressure treated lumber in the National Forest as ramps. So I guess someone didn't get the memo about the Hick Hucksters getting prosecuted for that stuff?
Seriously...that's gonna screw us all up. Why take lumber in? So that when a ranger who isn't in a good mood finds it, we can get banned?
The pain I'm seeing in your words really boosts my confidence in out-running bike cops.i really need to get back out there, especially since i know what "eh..there's a little bit of a climb to beehive" really means
Easy, butch.......the ramp has been there forever. Nobody knows who brought it in, nobody is has ever made a big deal about it until now. It's one tiny ramp over a fallen log......and it's been there for many seasons---hardly comprable to what the Hucksters were doing in a burned out forest. Let's not hit the panic button over what one video focused on for one short segment. The rangers probably have no problem with it because it's so insignificant and the fact that there has been no other attempts to replicate the ramp elsewhere along the whole trail. I agree the lone board doesn't look good on film, but unless you're willing to come down from Asheville to remove it yourself, I doubt anyone from the area is going to trouble themselves with it either. Plenty of people have had plenty of opportunities to take that thing out over the last few years and nobody has yet.......I've got some feelers out to find out who's doing the maintenance up there. If I can find out, would you guys be willing to jump in and help them? Nothing like legal berms and booters!
In the meantime, given the history of Wilsons, I would recommend one of you guys yank that ramp and that lame board out. Last time lumber was taken into the forest, Federal Agents showed up to stop it...guns drawn. Seriously. Guns drawn! You really want Barney's older, more educated and far more accurate cousin to escort you out?
Butch....man, you can really go out on a tangent. I think most people in the South forum are well aware of your stance on these things---and you're not lacking for any respect because of them.Wow. Unanimous decision. Ride, give nothing back, make sure not to do the right thing. Don't offer to help...just ride somebody else's efforts?
edit: I'm sure I'm going to get hated on for all this as usual, but I was just trying to help out. Regardless of how long a man-made "stunt" as the FS would call it exists, 3 things can happen:
1. Unapproved ramp becomes damaged and a rider gets injured...sues FS.
2. FS has never seen it, but will be upset when they see lumber at whatever point they find it...still bad for riders
3. Another rider sees ramp...builds more b/c they think it's acceptable there...they get in hot water with FS...
What you all hope for is that it never gets moved so you don't have to do anything. Not exactly the best stance in my humble opinion. I've been to Pisgah SORBA meetings and gotten to hear lots of things you guys never hear about from the FS. They're not nutty commy's looking to take your trails and take your freedom. They are good people...and it's their turf and they get really ticked off whether the public knows it or not.
You might never hear an FS employee say a thing about a non-traditional trail feature someone built, but they are aware of them and take legal routes to either allow or dis-allow those features without you or me having a say in it, until the public meeting is announced and hopefully you act appropriately through the right channels to keep your trail open.
Hey Dudley Do Right,What you all hope for is that it never gets moved so you don't have to do anything. Not exactly the best stance in my humble opinion.
Yeah Dom did a great job. Hope you get in the mix next time MikeNice video work I thought.
A buddy of mine, does it in about 25 minutes.we were doing some timed "stuff" out there on xc bikes a few months ago and some dude from GA did the entire climb in a bit over 16 minutes....pretty intense.
be sure to tell everyone to stay back and then ride down to the the creek first. You can film the pile up as they all come wedging in blind...you might get a random "lemming" on film.A buddy of mine, does it in about 25 minutes.
Oh yeah, he's 45 years old, rides a 45+ pound GT DHi with a monster T and his low gear is 44X32. HE'S A MACHINE!
As far as us only hitting Lower Headleys, I believe the plan is to film a different trail each time we go up. I'm itch'n to get some footy of Beehive. In my opinion that is the best trail up there.
Nope, wasnt done last weekend.Have they finished the bridge over the road at the bottom of BH yet?
We were uyp there like 5 weekends in a row last fall and I couldnt tell any difference from week to week.