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Pesqueeb

Pesqueeb

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Jury nullification is when a jury in a criminal trial returns a "not guilty" verdict despite believing the defendant is guilty. Juries may nullify laws for a number of reasons, including:

  • The law is unjust

  • The prosecutor misapplied the law

  • The punishment is too harsh

  • The jury wants to send a message about a social issue
  • The jury's sense of justice, morality, or fairness is opposed to the law
Jury nullification has its origins in colonial America and is based on several factors, including:
  • The jury's right to render a general verdict
  • Criminal courts cannot direct a verdict
  • The Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment
  • Jurors cannot be punished for their verdict

A famous case involving jury nullification was the 1996 trial of Dr. Jack Kevorkian. Kevorkian helped multiple people commit suicide, but was acquitted by the jury. The jury's decision was based on their belief that Kevorkian had not violated any law.


*Emphasis mine.
 
stevew

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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so if I have surgery and the doctor fucks up

and I sue for malpractice

and lose

who do I kill first?
 
ALEXIS_DH

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
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“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

I dont know if real not, but this is the alleged manifesto
 
mykel

mykel

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ALEXIS_DH said:
“To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”

I dont know if real not, but this is the alleged manifesto
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Just spit-ballin' here but...

[indecipherable] (1) = 'fucking'

[indecipherable] (2) = 'fucks' or maybe 'cunts'

Otherwise pretty much on point.
 
Westy

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
56,258
22,284
Sleazattle
Pesqueeb said:
Jury nullification is when a jury in a criminal trial returns a "not guilty" verdict despite believing the defendant is guilty. Juries may nullify laws for a number of reasons, including:

  • The law is unjust

  • The prosecutor misapplied the law

  • The punishment is too harsh

  • The jury wants to send a message about a social issue
  • The jury's sense of justice, morality, or fairness is opposed to the law
Jury nullification has its origins in colonial America and is based on several factors, including:
  • The jury's right to render a general verdict
  • Criminal courts cannot direct a verdict
  • The Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment
  • Jurors cannot be punished for their verdict

A famous case involving jury nullification was the 1996 trial of Dr. Jack Kevorkian. Kevorkian helped multiple people commit suicide, but was acquitted by the jury. The jury's decision was based on their belief that Kevorkian had not violated any law.


*Emphasis mine.
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The great American legal presidence of juries letting clearly guilty people free is the hung jury. Thousands of white men who murdered a black person have walked free because you could never find 12 white jurors who would convict a white for any crime against a person of color.
 
Jm_

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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I was reading about his pain and I went through a neuropathic pain episode when I was able to start using my foot again after it being immobilized in a cast for a few months. I was getting the crazy "like a car battery hooked up to my foot" pains, anything on my leg at night would feel like it was on fire. I went to crazy lengths like opening the sliding door and sticking my leg out in the cold in the hope that I could get it numbed. After two weeks of not sleeping at all I called the Dr. on a Friday and said I needed help. They said "oh, we can see you on xxx date". I said, I need help NOW, I haven't slept in 2 weeks. That got my some Oxy that at least let me get a few solid blocks of sleep till the next week when they got me on the Gabapentin and the issue did subside. But damn if I didn't understand how the pain can drive people to do absolutely crazy stuff during that time. Luckily we make guns easily available.
 
mykel

mykel

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Apr 19, 2013
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Jm_ said:
I was reading about his pain and I went through a neuropathic pain episode when I was able to start using my foot again after it being immobilized in a cast for a few months. I was getting the crazy "like a car battery hooked up to my foot" pains, anything on my leg at night would feel like it was on fire. I went to crazy lengths like opening the sliding door and sticking my leg out in the cold in the hope that I could get it numbed. After two weeks of not sleeping at all I called the Dr. on a Friday and said I needed help. They said "oh, we can see you on xxx date". I said, I need help NOW, I haven't slept in 2 weeks. That got my some Oxy that at least let me get a few solid blocks of sleep till the next week when they got me on the Gabapentin and the issue did subside. But damn if I didn't understand how the pain can drive people to do absolutely crazy stuff during that time. Luckily we make guns easily available.
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Gabapentin is one of the only things that keeps me sane.
Both my head and my feet. On the peripheral neuropathy in the feet, it does not do much for the spreading numbness, but is a godsend for the sharp stabbing pain. It also takes a good amount off of the headache as a whole but really shines in limiting and smoothing out the sharp roller-coaster peaks.
 
Jozz

Jozz

Joe Dalton
Apr 18, 2002
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Nick said:
I love to see awareness gaining traction ...
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Too bad it's false.

People go bankrupt in Canada when they undergo cancer treatment. Medical aspect is covered. But gummint pays 15 weeks of leave. After that it's on your own dime if you're not able to work and don't have private insurance.
 
Changleen

Changleen

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Jan 9, 2004
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Capitalism is beyond broken when the pointless greed of a few means the murder of many others.

Money, the economy, is supposed to be a tool to help us lead better lives, but now in the west and much of the rest of the world, with the US leading this deluded cancerous charge, for the 99.9% the economy is now our god, literally with power over our entire lives, health and outcomes.

We’ve fucked up super hard, and we should support actions that flip this balance back as much as we can.
 
Pesqueeb

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
42,113
19,544
Riding past the morgue.
Changleen said:
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Capitalism is beyond broken when the pointless greed of a few means the murder of many others.

Money, the economy, is supposed to be a tool to help us lead better lives, but now in the west and much of the rest of the world, with the US leading this deluded cancerous charge, for the 99.9% the economy is now our god, literally with power over our entire lives, health and outcomes.

We’ve fucked up super hard, and we should support actions that flip this balance back as much as we can.
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I'd LOVE to see some sourcing on the reddit claim. Don't get me wrong, I totally believe it could be true and I absolutely agree with your point, but living in a fact free, or even counterfactual, feelz > realz is the purview of the smooth brain Brian types. We should be better.
 
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