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dante

dante

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http://drudgereport.com/dncg.htm

Ok, so drudge reports that Kerry wanted to outlaw semi-automatic pistol-gripped shotguns, then reports that he's seen in the picture holding one. Is it me or isn't that just a regular non-pistol-gripped shotgun he's holding???? My monitor's kinda dark, but to me it just looks like another f**kup by drudge. Not surprising...

dante
 
Westy

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I have heard that kind of stock referred to as a pistol grip, seeing as though it curves down. Many older rifle and shotgun stocks go straight back. Most people think of a pistol grip to be like that of an AK-47 or M-16.
 
dante

dante

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Westy said:
I have heard that kind of stock referred to as a pistol grip, seeing as though it curves down. Many older rifle and shotgun stocks go straight back. Most people think of a pistol grip to be like that of an AK-47 or M-16.
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that was my thought as well. for the semi-automatic weapons it says something about a separate grip from the stock, I wonder if that's what it says for this as well... wouldn't be the first time that drudge f**ks something up. :thumb:
 
Westy

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dante said:
that was my thought as well. for the semi-automatic weapons it says something about a separate grip from the stock, I wonder if that's what it says for this as well... wouldn't be the first time that drudge f**ks something up. :thumb:
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I wouldn't say it was facked up. It was just selective use of information.
 
N8 v2.0

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Why not just READ the article? Drudge 'splains it quite well:

"Photos show Kerry's hand resting on the "pistol grip," as loosely defined in the bill. [Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii) and (b)(42): "The term 'pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."]"


The gun he holds definitely has the dreaded and might I add, "scary-looking" pistol grip on it right behind the receiver as do 99.99% of all modern long guns.

Fortunately for the US citizen:

"Opponents of the bill successfully argued how nearly all guns have "pistol grips," inluding millions of Browning Auto-5 shotguns produced since 1903."

Thereby senting Kerry's goofy bill down in flames....

:)

 
Toshi

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Photos show Kerry's hand resting on the "pistol grip," as loosely defined in the bill. [Section SEC. 2; (H) (ii) and (b)(42): "The term 'pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."]
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unfortunately that wording seems vague enough that that shotgun indeed has a "pistol grip" as ridiculous as that may sound
 
N8 v2.0

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Toshi said:
unfortunately that wording seems vague enough that that shotgun indeed has a "pistol grip" as ridiculous as that may sound
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I'm sure Kerry and his anti-gun lackies wanted it to read that way. If the bill had passed, then all modern firearms would be illegal and their wet dream of banning all guns would be realized...

But instead Kerry's bill got a swift :nuts:
 
biggins

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kerry just doesnt like guns cause he took out a thousand gooks with his bare hands floating around in the mi kong delta at night.
 
Toshi

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biggins said:
kerry just doesnt like guns cause he took out a thousand gooks with his bare hands floating around in the mi kong delta at night.
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ahha :oink:
 
Tenchiro

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It seems to me that threating anything inthe Drudge Report as news, is alot like using the comments from this forum as news...
 
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National Shooting Sports Foundation: Kerry Accepts Shotgun He Would Ban as 'Assault Weapon'
Tuesday September 7, 5:00 pm ET

RACINE, W.Va., Sept. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is a press release regarding the Remington model 11-87 shotgun that Sen. John Kerry recently accepted:
At a Labor Day campaign rally yesterday, Sen. John Kerry accepted an ironic gift from a labor union representative. The gift, a Remington model 11-87 shotgun commonly used in hunting and recreational shooting enjoyed by millions of Americans, would be banned as an "assault weapon" under a bill that Kerry is co-sponsoring.

"The semi-automatic shotgun that Kerry accepted is one that he'd like to ban under his bill known as 'The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (S. 1431).' Kerry tells union workers that he's a hunter, but the truth is he would ban their shotguns," said Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF).

Keane said several sportsmen's groups have pointed out that Kerry's effort to cast himself as an avid hunter do not square with his anti-gun votes as a U.S. senator. In various photos Kerry appears unaware of proper firearms handling. The Hunting and Shooting Sports Heritage Fund is advertising in national sportsmen magazines and on the Web site, http://www.voteyoursport.com, to illustrate these points.

Kerry was given the shotgun by Cecil Roberts of the United Mine Workers of America. The union represents workers at a Remington factory in Ilion, New York. Last year the union urged Kerry to support a bill to end frivolous lawsuits against firearms makers (S. 659). The suits threaten manufacturing jobs. However, Kerry voted against the bill.

Remington President Tommy Milner said, "Rest assured, Remington was neither aware of this presentation in advance nor in any way supportive of its intent to support Senator Kerry's candidacy. In fact, the company remains amused by ongoing photos of Senator Kerry shooting without either ear or eye protection while discharging a firearm."

The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the companies and businesses that make and sell firearms, ammunition and other products for the 40 million Americans who responsibly hunt and enjoy recreational shooting. Learn more at http://www.nssf.org.

An article on the Drudge Report Web site, http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm, points out the irony of Kerry accepting the shotgun gift given the legislation that he supported.

Source: The National Shooting Sports Foundation

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And in more regurgitated newz:

N8 said:
We Hate Kerry
Whateverday September 7, 5:00 pm ET

Blah blah blah, we stitched up Kerry and once again diverted the 'electorate' from the real issues, aren't we clever!
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fluff

fluff

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N8 said:
Show just how much you know...

Kerry isn't running on any 'real' issues. If he were then we'd have heard about them from him by now...
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You read too much into my comments. That Kerry is not mentioning the real issues either (foolishly for him) that does not mean that the issues don't exist.

He does currently appear to be losing an election that would have seemed hard to lose.
 
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