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Help Me Choose a New Frame - 3 choices.

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Iridemtb, Dec 10, 2009.

  1. Commencal-guy

    Commencal-guy Monkey

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    Fully slack position is actually at 63 Degrees... 65 is the steepest setting with a 64 degree zero slack and 63 at the slackest.... Just to clarify:thumb:
     

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  2. Ithnu

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    I rode my Supreme DH at 64 most of the summer and tried 63 toward the end. I think I like the 64 better. But that's the nice thing about the bike, don't like the geo? Change it.
     
  3. climbingbubba

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    I will put my vote in for the jedi. it has definately inspired some confidence. It is a pretty unique bike though. With the 2.5" of rearward travel and the idler pulley it makes for a very predictable and smooth ride. The crazy short chainstays help it corner well too.

    here is a video one of the local kids made. he is crazy. Its from a video contest that the canfield brothers put on. It describes the benefits of the bike.

    http://www.pinkbike.com/video/85486/

    I cant comment on the other 2 bikes but i have ridden a v10, socom, demo 8, nicolai ufo st, and various other bikes and the jedi does feel comfortable right from the start. Plus with the customer service it would be hard to beat the canfield bikes.
     
  4. Tayrob

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    Commencal-guy,really?
    I'm on a '09 World Champs edition Supreme,and it said 65* was stock,66* was steep,and 64* was slack on the little hang tags that came with the bike.It'd be news to me if my headtube was at 63*.
     
  5. djamgils

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    A friend of mine and myself are both riding and racing a '09 Supreme DH for about 10months now.
    Overall I am really satisfied with the bike. But with both our bikes the linkage got play in them really easily. That is caused by overtightening of the bolts wich causes the aluminium rings to shear of and effectively cause the bolts to have no effect on the linkage. I made thicker stainless steel rings for that and both the bikes are play free for a couple of months now.

    And some other thing I noticed is that in my bike the headtube sleave can be rotated by hand while inserted and the pinch bolts loosened. Whil in my friends bike you have to take the sleeve out with a block of wood and a hammer. So my conclusion would be they have some wide tolerances or problems staying in the tolerance range.

    Like said before, the suspension performance is great. The adjustable geometry lets you tune it to your preference.And maybe it is on the heavy side but that isnt noticable on trail.
    And I would rather have a heavier frame then some of the recent lightweight disposable frames

    I measured the head angle and it was at 63.2 degree in the slackest position.
     
  6. norbar

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    If you want a lighter bike I don't really see why you are considering the commencal - it weights 5.7kg with shock (at least my friends m size did). I have a lot of friends who got it nevertheless and they are very happy with the ride, though not so much with the build quality (one got cracked new, other was very loose from new though that's not a big problem) and the time it takes for commencal to get a new frame from warranty is ages. Wanted to take it but now - not so much.

    If you like slack but agile maybe go the same way I did - Banshee legend. 63.8HA and proto reviewers claim it is pretty lively. Though Jedi is a sweet option and I'd be very tempted to get one if there were some used at the time I ordered my banshee.
     
  7. Iridemtb

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    Banshee legend is nice bike, but I'd imagine with the quality and size of that company, the price is way to high for me.

    About build quality. I might have scored a deal on a 2010 Commencal Supreme DH. The build quality allegedly improved significantly from last year (says a few shops I called around to, and some owners of newer ones).

    About weight. It is supposedly 3 pounds lighter than my frame now. That frame is supposed to be 10.5 pounds w/shock. My frame demo 9 frame is 13.5 pounds
     
  8. Ithnu

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    Size large with CK headset installed, with rear axle, no seat clamp, and no shock = 10.27 pounds.
     

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    Cool vid and good rider.
     
  10. Iridemtb

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    So lets say it is 10 pounds minus the headset, I'd say that is a fair weight deduction.

    I looked online for other weights. Another guy on here said his was 10.24 lbs with a vivid size large.

    Dh kid said that, maybe he will chime in.
    http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208664

    Also realize, mine is a size small, which might (I am probably wrong), cut off a quarter pound.

    An elka is about 1000 grams with a 400lb spring (a 400lb spring is a bit too heavy for all 135lbs of me too). That is the shock I will be getting. So about 11lbs with shock we will say. That's not too bad, still a 2.5lb saving off my demo frame.
     
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    IF I remember right he had the pre 09 one. You mistake bikes. Pre 09 ones cracked more often but were light and indeed weighted 10.5 with shock, now it's closer to that weight without it ;)

    About banshee - if you went with preorder earlier in 09 the prices were mad on it (at least in britain) now it's 2999$/1999 pounds if I remember right.


    Also if you want something cheaper and considering commencal I'd seriously go TR450 over it. Transition has far better customer support, the frame is lighter and the other trannies had far less issues while it's steal resonably priced. I'd also look at mondraker summum. I don't know about the us price of it but around here it costs ~2500$-2600$ with shock and we have a much smaller market and a 22% VAT.
     
  12. Iridemtb

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    I'd say the Commencal and TR450 will be about even (all just e-speculating). Although I wonder if the same would be said if the Athertons and Cedric didn't ride it. I don't really like the newer demo 8's (ridemonkey blasphemy!), but now that Sam Hill rides demo 8's, some people love them.

    Mondraker kind of strikes my interest. There are no USA dealers though. It only strikes my interest because it will be cheaper. Like I said previously, what I want to achieve in buying this frame is durability (2010 commencal quality), a "faster" more race oriented bike with race bike geo, and something lighter. The 2010 commencal still has my frame beat by about 2 lbs.

    I would not mind a TR450 though. They are lighter and probably on par with quality and performance. Although transition has muchhhh better customer service probably. But they might not be able to get back to me in time and I really doubt with my limited race record and just Cat 2 wins that I have what it takes to be sponsored by their race section.