Deciding between the Gemini and the Sunday. What are some pros and cons for both. Need a new bike for both racing and freeriding. Im a lighter rider 140lbs. Its between the Sunday Team and The Gemini 3000. Any feedback from Gemini owners would be great, dont know too much about the Sunday but from i've researched i like. Any help would be awsome!
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To start the 3000 is front derailleur compatible and the Sunday is not. That may be a big deal when it comes to FRing.
If you are looking for a multi front ring bike from IH then the 7 Point series is what you want. They use the same suspension technology as the Sunday, but the layout of the bike is more setup for FRing.
Other than those points it all comes down to personal preference. Some riders prefer a single pivot bike for its simplicity and (in most cases) lower than average maintenance requirements. Others will prefer the new IH line for it's superior pedaling and suspension rate derived from the DW linkage system.
For my money, if I'm buying a single pivot bike I prefer a shock linkage system that gives the bike a progressive ride. I don't buy into platform shocks being as good as a properly designed linkage system. The 3000 does not have a shock linkage, so that would lean me towards the Sunday.
If you are looking for a multi front ring bike from IH then the 7 Point series is what you want. They use the same suspension technology as the Sunday, but the layout of the bike is more setup for FRing.
Other than those points it all comes down to personal preference. Some riders prefer a single pivot bike for its simplicity and (in most cases) lower than average maintenance requirements. Others will prefer the new IH line for it's superior pedaling and suspension rate derived from the DW linkage system.
For my money, if I'm buying a single pivot bike I prefer a shock linkage system that gives the bike a progressive ride. I don't buy into platform shocks being as good as a properly designed linkage system. The 3000 does not have a shock linkage, so that would lean me towards the Sunday.
Pretty much everything that Go-ride said was bang on, but I have to disagree on his only professed opinion in the post. The platform shocks were made to overcome the failings of suspension designs that didn't prevent bob. I think the platform shocks do a great job, and are tunable to be progressive as well. If I was FRing and DHing, then I would look at the Gemini. But, if I was more into FRing with little DHing, I'd check out the 7. series. If I was more into DHing with a little FRing, I would look at the Sunday. What about a VP-Free or Patriot 7+/223, or perhaps a DHR? Sorry if it's annoying to throw other bikes into the mix, just thought I'd help more if I could.
I'm not sure about front derailleur compatibility, but chech out the Iron Horse Yakuza Komicho as well. It's a single pivot, but it has a floating brake.
I would check out the Cdale It's lighter for racing and is a dual ring compadable for freeride
When do you ever need dual rings for a DH race?TheMontashu said:
yay post edit
fluorescent green sunday for me! *hopefully*
Please forgive me if this has already been asked 100000000000000 times, but when will the Sunday's be available? I couldn't find it when I searched for "Iron Horse Sunday available".
Yeah man lots have already said it but if "freeriding" to you means pedalling up sometimes you'll probably want something that will take a front derailleur and two chainrings. If you're limited to the sunday or the gemini, I'd say get the gemini as the more versatile of the two. Haven't ridden any of the new IH/DW bikes but the 7.7 sure sounds like a promising all-rounder and at 140lbs it might be plenty of bike for you to race dh.
I generally agree with Scott and think that platform shock technology is something of crutch that can help bridge the gap with respect to "pedal bob" and make it easier to justify the commonly-cited benefits of single pivot, non-linkage designs (lower price, lower weight, better durability, less maintenance, etc.). But besides bob there are other suspension factors to consider that are not controlled by the shock (at least as I understand it), such as braking performance and pedal feedback. Single-pivot/non-linkage designs work great for lots of people and purposes but can seem a bit crude if you're a fanatic about every aspect of performance.
I generally agree with Scott and think that platform shock technology is something of crutch that can help bridge the gap with respect to "pedal bob" and make it easier to justify the commonly-cited benefits of single pivot, non-linkage designs (lower price, lower weight, better durability, less maintenance, etc.). But besides bob there are other suspension factors to consider that are not controlled by the shock (at least as I understand it), such as braking performance and pedal feedback. Single-pivot/non-linkage designs work great for lots of people and purposes but can seem a bit crude if you're a fanatic about every aspect of performance.
Freeride=gemini
Dh=Sunday
Dh=Sunday
gemini
id take the sunday!
jest remember on the sunday BOXER
With two XXes, bitoch. If I beat you on it at N*, you owe me 10 bucks.TheMontashu said:
y is that? and im ganna be in israelThe Kadvang said:
I would recommend the cannondale. If you can't mount a front derailleur on the Iron Horse, it's going to be tough to get the proper gearing for both climbing and DHing. The cannondale has been around for a while and is fairly popular for DH and for freeride. I've seen Gemini's set up for everything from XC to hucking. The 3000 looks sick this year.