Help with some burly hardtail pics...
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I'm beginning to hate 24" rear wheel 
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SOMEBODY POST THE BMW AND 24 on pinkbike.
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TJHooker
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ya heres the repair. i coulda sanded it down before paint but i think its cool.
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Those BMWs are sweet. that would be the greatest dj stable
What? Was everyone too awestruck to post this?
WOOOOAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH, thats hot.(BMW)duuuuuuuude thats the BMW i was talking about. soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice. mmmmmmmmmmmmm
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude that bike is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay sweet. With a couple scatches and maybe a little ding it would be perfect
which bike?
IMO the combination of 5" (or more) fork and a 24" rr wheel is just stupid. I'm getting so sick of seeing it. To each his own, but I'd bet money hardly any of those bikes are dedicated DH machines. No reason for an urban/DJ bike to be that slack. Penguins!
The man has a point! I do agree, and don't fully understand why people put a 26 in front...I run dual 24's and love it, simply for the strength advantage...and it's a bit better in the skatepark. But hey, let this not turn into one of those really long debates in here. Make a new thread if it does.
Not all of those bikes are used purely for urban riding and dirt jumping. You have to realize that just because it has cro-moly cranks, doesn't mean all they do on it is big drops to flat.
I think mainly your comment was sparked by that .243 pictured just above, probably because it's on a downhill slope, which, yes, makes it look like a very slack bike. It's not, really - about 68.5 degrees (not corrected for fork sag, say 69.5, 70.5 tops). That's not that bad at all, and in fact a little less slack than I would like for the kind of riding I do (no, it's not mine). Currently the only thing keeping a 26" wheel on the back of my ride is money. Simply, from what I've ridden, they're easier to manual with, easier to hop with, and generally easier to air with - doubtful any of these things could be considered a drawback. Even if it is just a street/dj bike, what's wrong with being able to bust a sweet hop-to-manual line just that much easier?
I'm not trying to flame you, just trying to say that a 24" wheel has many benifits for ALL types of riding, with the exception of some DH courses, and erm... fireroad DH. You can't lay the brand of lemming on someone just because they know something works, and works well.
Sorry, had that brewing for a while and couldn't hold it.
100% agree on that. IMO, 24" just dont have anything to do with mountain bikes. If you can't manual or whatver with a 26", improve your riding! Change everything on your bike, but please keep the most basic parts of it: The wheels.
And they say that Gary is stupid by putting 29inchers on his bikes
.......Warped...
I've only had the fork on for about a week now. Things took a bit longer at Risse than they had expected; not sure why. They were super easy to deal with the whole time though. When I placed the order I talked to them about what kind of riding I would be doing, let them know my weight and they took it from there. I believe they tune all their forks to a rider's specifics like Avalanche does.
Anyways, out of the box the first thing you notice is how beef this fork is(big stanchions and lowers, steel steertube, big bolts). The lowers and stanchions seem nearly as large as the Champ which was a massive fork. I ordered it anodized completely black, stanchions and lowers; definitely looks stealth. I think Risse will do just about any color you like. Poo brown was an option but I thought better of it.
The fork itself gets 4" of travel (I think 2-3" is an option), has 20mm thru axle, and weighs around 6 or 7 lbs. I guess one negative is that Risse uses a weird hub spacing so you sort of need to stick with their hubs. No big deal tho, they make a pretty nice one; 36 hole.
Tire clearance may be a problem for some if you're one to run big tires. The guys at Risse said the largest they've fit is a 2.7 Intense. Initially I wasn't able to fit the 2.65 Kujo dh that I had bought for the fork. There's plenty of width in the arch for a 2.7-2.8 but it would have to be a low profile tire like the Intense. The Kujos and Nokians, and Maxxis (I think) are taller and won't fit. You could get a new arch made if you really want to run huge tires I spose. I decided on 2.35 Kujos front and rear and so far they're awesome.
So far I've got nothing bad to say about how it rides. Yes, it is on the heavy side but if you're considering this fork you probably aren't too worried about that. However, I wasn't expecting the travel to be as smooth as it is since the Champ I had was so sticky. Might be different seals on this one. Rebound and compression are externally adjustable but I haven't messed with that yet, didn't get an owner's manual from Risse. Nothing special about the internals, just a plain old cartridge damper.
On the trail it rode really smooth tho. The faster i went the more responsive the fork seemed to get. This fork is plenty stiff. I tried to get it to flex and couldn't, take that how you will - I'm only 160 lbs. No big drops so far, just a little 3 footer. I found myself flying over sections a lot quicker than in the past. For me the fork gives me a bit more confidence in the rough stuff.
Any other questions just ask. If you're looking for a super solid 4" fork check this one out. I'm really enjoyin it so far.
Jeff
I've only had the fork on for about a week now. Things took a bit longer at Risse than they had expected; not sure why. They were super easy to deal with the whole time though. When I placed the order I talked to them about what kind of riding I would be doing, let them know my weight and they took it from there. I believe they tune all their forks to a rider's specifics like Avalanche does.
Anyways, out of the box the first thing you notice is how beef this fork is(big stanchions and lowers, steel steertube, big bolts). The lowers and stanchions seem nearly as large as the Champ which was a massive fork. I ordered it anodized completely black, stanchions and lowers; definitely looks stealth. I think Risse will do just about any color you like. Poo brown was an option but I thought better of it.
The fork itself gets 4" of travel (I think 2-3" is an option), has 20mm thru axle, and weighs around 6 or 7 lbs. I guess one negative is that Risse uses a weird hub spacing so you sort of need to stick with their hubs. No big deal tho, they make a pretty nice one; 36 hole.
Tire clearance may be a problem for some if you're one to run big tires. The guys at Risse said the largest they've fit is a 2.7 Intense. Initially I wasn't able to fit the 2.65 Kujo dh that I had bought for the fork. There's plenty of width in the arch for a 2.7-2.8 but it would have to be a low profile tire like the Intense. The Kujos and Nokians, and Maxxis (I think) are taller and won't fit. You could get a new arch made if you really want to run huge tires I spose. I decided on 2.35 Kujos front and rear and so far they're awesome.
So far I've got nothing bad to say about how it rides. Yes, it is on the heavy side but if you're considering this fork you probably aren't too worried about that. However, I wasn't expecting the travel to be as smooth as it is since the Champ I had was so sticky. Might be different seals on this one. Rebound and compression are externally adjustable but I haven't messed with that yet, didn't get an owner's manual from Risse. Nothing special about the internals, just a plain old cartridge damper.
On the trail it rode really smooth tho. The faster i went the more responsive the fork seemed to get. This fork is plenty stiff. I tried to get it to flex and couldn't, take that how you will - I'm only 160 lbs. No big drops so far, just a little 3 footer. I found myself flying over sections a lot quicker than in the past. For me the fork gives me a bit more confidence in the rough stuff.
Any other questions just ask. If you're looking for a super solid 4" fork check this one out. I'm really enjoyin it so far.
Jeff
DAG. that post is high. whoa
I want nothing to do with the pain this rider must have gone through...seat tis a wee bit bent...dontcha think?
When I ride trails I never have an issue...but hey, to each his own.
My comments were sparked by 74 pages of silliness, not just one bike. Don't get me wrong, some of these bikes are straight up beautiful machines. Then again, some have been bastardized to no end. I've ridden dual 24's, 24/26, and now I'm back to dual 26's for good, so I've got experience with it all. I've done hucking, DS, DJ, DH, heck even trail/XC. A 24" wheel offers no benefit of any kind TO ME, for the various types of riding I do.
I can understand someone wanting a 24" wheel to make their bike *feel* quicker and snappier when hopping and manualing. But when you do it because you threw a 7" fork and 2.7-3.0 tires on both ends it's all relative. If you want a quick bike that jumps/manuals well then build it that way. Get one with short chainstays (which 24's DO NOT help on traditional vertical dropout frames, except for a few adjustable ones), steep head angle, 4"-5" fork, mid-weight wheels/tires, and build it with reasonable parts spec. Choosing a 24" wheel to make your 38-42 pound pig feel more lively is a bandaid. My 34 pound Evil takes all the abuse this 225 pound rider can dish out, without complaint.
In closing (because I won't debate this more in this very cool thread) my original statement did include the phrases "In my opinion" and "to each his own", and included an exception for those owners who ride their pig hardtails for DH (in which case I have the utmost respect for them). I just wanted to make the reasons behind my opinions known. Rest assured, my views were developed from experience, not heresay. I don't know how you can argue with that. Later.
i have a rear 24 on my bike to keep the chainstay length short. i would prefer a 26 but tire clearance is an issue. and i'm not running fatty tires either (2.1). i have no idea why i wrote this. geez i'm psycho. lough.
24" wheels make plenty of sense to me, But yeah the 26/24 combo I have never been a fan of. 3.0" tires are neat, but anything bigger than a 2.65 is an asthetic mod in my opinion.
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Gutty
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Schaweeeet !!
Are you anything to do with CTR or do you just ride one ?BTW, You cannot have my Av !
mmmmm...I like the candy coated .243....single speed....24's...yum
hmmm. that seems werid. 243's have vert dropouts. is this a proto or what?
Originally posted by Ian F
Yep, I've had that frame since '98 - raced XC at Mt Snow on it... ouch... I have a I.F. for xc now (steel:good). The Chameleon is holding up well for me with dirtjumping and general DH abuse. I really like how it handles and seems made for a 4" travel Marzocchi. So far my biggest drop on it has been about 6-7 feet.
Hey Ian sounds like we have the same taste in XC rides.Like you said steel goodThis thread has given me alot of ideas
