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  1. RenegadeRick

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  2. JohnE

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    No, this is an example you painting all cops with the same dull paintbrush that you apparently painted your intellect with...
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    the officer was probably ex-idf & dude on the bart platform was wearing a kafeyah
     
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    This one's going to be ugly. BART Po are refusing to make any statements until they get their ducks in a row; in the meantime victim's family's lawyer is going straight to the media with allegations of criminal behavior and a $25M civil suit.

    I've got to say that based on public opinion alone, regardless of whatever circumstances and additional info are unearthed in the coming days, the cop better burn or the whole department will.
     
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  5. ohio

    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    BTW, my favorite explanation so far is that he thought he was going for his tazer and instead grabbed his handgun, AND still pulled the trigger.

    I've totally done the same thing when I accidentally hit the wrong hole, but thought "ah ****, I'm here, might as well just go with it."
     
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  6. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    Here is our famous local version of discretionary enforcement.



    The guy in the wheelchair was later ticketed for jay-wheelchairing while in the emergency room.
     
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  7. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    The dude in the chair was clearly in the wrong. :twitch:
     
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    Clearly the cop was Jesus and tried to "Heal" the person in the chair with his magic power car.:brows:
     
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    The only detail about this officer at this point: On the job for 2 years.
     
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    Westy the teste

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    Police chief determined that the officer was not in the wrong, as there was no way he could have seen the guy. It seems that folks are not supposed to look where they are going before turning left, that is what makes cycling or riding a motorcycle on the road so much fun and why those in wheel chairs should wear helmets.
     
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    there's this severely disabled elderly lady who routinely "drives" her wheelchair on academy boulevard (6 lanes; 45 mph zone). she even hangs a tree out the rear to represent
     
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    johnE.. :))
     
  15. MikeD

    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    I have a hard time getting video here, but will try to watch this. (Even the text is slow to load...)

    But in the meantime, tell me why it's inherently wrong for a police officer to shoot someone in the back.

    Ed: Ok, site finally came up and I read it...still no way to know whether shooting was justified from what we know. Possibility certainly exists that it was not, but from the info available we can't draw a conculsion either way. It sure warrants thorough investigation.
     
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    this is pretty damning

     
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    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    That video shows very little that's useful, actually. We don't know what was going on in that tangle. Nothing is "damning" except the commentary of people who claim they know what's going on, but really can't.

    Ed: BART is full of surveillance cameras--I'd be interested to see what a possibly higher-res and non-sickness-inducing view might show. That said, the officer's perception is what measures the Constitutional standards for the use of force.
     
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    wait, you saw the video and said "hm, I can see where the cop could have had a reason to kill him"?
     
  19. MikeD

    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    Absolutely. I could also see where the cop possibly stood up and murdered him in cold blood.

    That fuzzy cell phone video says nothing about what actually happened.
     
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    Westy the teste

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    I'm sure there will be enough professional courtesy that the other officers will tell their unbiased accounts.
     
  21. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    not to a jury
     
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    Prolly a formerly-engaged ghey cop taking out his Prop 8 angst on a member of the impressionable black community.
     
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    See note earlier. One of the things the cops are keeping sealed is the surveillance tapes as they don't want to taint the jury. I have no idea if those cameras are hi-res or not, nor have they commented on where the cameras are positioned.

    Sucks to be them, and not be able to wage the war of public opinion.

    At the same time, I think it is very unlikely that the use of deadly force was justified. If you can imagine that scenario (he went for their guns? from face down with two cops on him and a daughter at home?), please share it because I can't come up with one.
     
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    I can imagine many scenarios where deadly force was justified based on my own experience in training scenarios. There's no need to have me put some forth so that some other people can tell me how it's impossible that such-and-such happened. I also realize the limitations placed on us by the horrific quality of the video we're watching.

    What makes me most dubious in this case that the use of force was justified is that if there had been an attempt to grab for a weapon or he had some sort of concealed weapon in his sleeve or waistband (which, of course, he would have had to move for in order for lethal force to be justified), I'd think that would already be all over the media. But that's not something I really feel qualified to speculate on, either, because I know I don't have first-hand knowledge, and I don't believe in trying these things in the media.

    There's a great training video which shows a "clear-cut case of police shooting an unarmed man" from about 20 yards away, then cuts to a different view between the subject and the cops.
     
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    for real?

    that is beyond fvcked up...

    It isn't the police force's job to publicly execute citizens.

    Edit: holy **** that video is amazing, I hope that cop burns.
     
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    :huh:
     
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    lmao.
     
  28. $tinkle

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    ok, for just one of many scenarios which have happened: you got a shooter who's actively picking off people, yet his back is to a cop & isn't obeying commands to cease fire.

    c'mon, slick...
     
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    He also could have released a very smelly fart. Deadly force is an appropriate response to chemical/biological warfare.
     
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    even worse: what if it were kris kross bustin ass through their backwards pants? being a black teen sure makes it easier
     
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    I would guess so.
     
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    after watching the ch. 2 video, where 4 cops are on top of a guy who is lying on his stomach and gets shot in the back, and this is the best you can come up with?


    now the police said the surveillance videos may not help....:clue:

    http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6581281

     
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    red herring

    the man was prone and completely defenseless, and yet that sick fvck decided to put a round in his back?

    for what?!

    I hope that cop gets what is coming to him.
     
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    I would guess cause he pulled the trigger, but then again, I am just a simple country boy.:monkey:
     
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    not necessarily; maybe dude was planning to pass cop's guard.

    spike tv has taught me the ways of homoerotic pseudo-sports
     
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    One comment made at lunch yesterday was that the cop had mistaken his taser for his gun in all the commotion.

    While the video shows the dead man was on his belly not fighting the officer, I said if an officer cannot the difference between a gun and a taser, he should not be a police officer. No exceptions.
     
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    Well, he should be a special circumstance arresting officer.

    Like show up to "arrest" O.J. :biggrin:
     
  39. $tinkle

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    bull****.

    on the utility belt:

    goes goes here ->
    <- taser goes there

    or something like that. locals here have 'em right on front like tuco or lee van spleef
     
  40. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    I heard that the cop had never been trained to use a taser or been issued one. But I don't have a credible source to back that up.