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Here It Is!!!!!!!!! A Karpiel Sneak Preview............

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  1. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Here are a few pics of the new Karpiel Armageddon. Please keep in mind that this is only the prototype and some changes are being made to the actual production bikes due out within the next few months. As far as specifications go, they aren't available as of yet, please stay tuned..............................




     
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  2. dropmachine

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    Looks cool, but have they done anything to cure the massive chaintug problems? I can't remember the old linkage, but this one looks slightly different.
     
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    I want one. That looks really cool. How much does it weight?
     
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  4. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    You know I've never had a problem with chain tug. The lower shock mount is is now connected to the newly designed lower link.
     
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  5. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Should be as light as the original if not lighter. The old Armageddons only weighed in at 10.5lbs. They looked a lot heavier than they actually were.
     
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    Ya that is a lot lighter then i thought they were
     
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    Design is still the same!
     
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    What? No Hopes on it! :)
     
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    Looking good.
    Looks a lot more refined than the previous version.

    Thanks for posting!
     
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    Could we get some info on the differences from the old Army to the new?
     
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    I wonder what the new disco will look like swweeet
     
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    A boxxer?

    Shouldn't Armys have like Shivers or Monsters or Stratos S8s, Risky Champ8s, Avalanche Mtn or DH8s, etc..?
     
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    Nice. A thru axle finally.
     
  14. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    This one isn't mine, mine will :D
     
  15. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    It's a 888
     
  16. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    As far as specs go, I don't have that info as of yet.
     
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    sure


    there are several differences.

    first of all, the shock is now driven by the lower linkage, the upper linkage has an internal bridge to make it a 3pc solid link much like DW did to the IH SGS '04 and somewhat similar to the horseshoe setup the PDC 825 had.
    the lower link is bridged also (cant see how they solved it on this latest proto though). this layout change means a lot of things, first, as you can see, the standover has increased a lot, also the mass distribution is a lot better, and also, it will fit a standard 9,5" shock.

    the swingarm now foregoes the upright tube and has this plate you see joining the upper and lower tubes, and has thru axle and replaceable derailleur hanger, no idea if this final version is 83/150 or not but i think so.

    as for weight, should be around 9lbs to the extent of my knowledge, thats what the old one weighed.
     
  18. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    I'm not sure of the BB width, I want to say it will be an 83mm with ISCG tabs, and yes the new swingarm is a 150mm thru.
     
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    Doesn't that thing infringe on some patent Trek owns?
     
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    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Do you have a pic of that Trek?
     
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    Nope, no idea what bikes it was actually produced on (if any), but I do know that both Banshee (with their new Legend dh bike) and PDC (with the 825) had to work around the patent. IIRC the points it covered were:
    - shock driven off the lower link (PDC avoided this by having the shock driven off the swingarm)
    - lower front pivot in front of/above the BB (Banshee avoided this by moving the pivot back so it wasn't in front of the BB)
    - general layout similar to the Karpiel/PDC/Banshee apparently

    Don't know any more specifics than that but it might be worth looking up.
     
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    wouldnt "prior art" be invokable (new word?) in karpiels case?
     
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    Weren't their old bikes using the top link to drive the shock though?
     
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    Patent #6,203,042
     
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    It seems the rear end will be alot stiffer this time around. It's nice to see how the step'p it up, plus updated their bikes. Even though it resembles a Cortina/PDC/Banshee/Zumbi etc, it still has a a typical Karpiel look, although they've integrated some nice details that make it stand out more. Any news on the disco?
     
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    Ya cheers for that jvnixon... could save Karpiel some headaches.
     
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    Damn! They beat me to it.

    I was planning to do a very similar thing to my Disco, as in drive a bigger shock off the bottom link and make the top link uber stiff.
    Oh well, beaten to the punch again!:monkeydance:

    Oh yeah, it looks very noice, me likey lots!:beerjam:
     
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    In regards to the patent, I do know the shock positioning is way different. I'm looking further into this matter.
     
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    ohh, another issue, is the army going to travel 9-11 like the old one? or will it have it's travel reduced?
     
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    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    In regard to the patent issue. Jan had a similar design back in 1993, here is an article in MTB action from Sept 1995. That patent was filed in 1999. Karpiel should be okay.

     
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    Oops!
     
  32. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Sorry, I don't have all the specs yet. As soon as I know, you'll know.
     
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    That's okay.
     
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    Looks nice! The shock mount reminds me of the old Cortina DH-8.
     
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    Cortina use a type of "Dogbone" link attached to the lower link.
     
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    Does it come with Jans' patented support and a willingness to empty your bank account without delivery of frame?
     
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    ve got a 2003 disco v still racing the puppy ,its sweet, but i need a new rear end for it ,does anyone know if they will be making spares for the older frames , i want one with a replacable mech hanger and bolt through axle if possible.
     
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