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Heres one George didn't totaly botch

The Amish

Dumber than N8
Feb 22, 2005
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Shoe bombs to blow open cockpit doors, what wont these crazies think of next


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Bush: U.S. Surveillance Helped Stop Attack By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
13 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Under fire for eavesdropping on Americans, President Bush said Thursday that spy work stretching from the U.S. to Asia helped thwart terrorists plotting to use shoe bombs to hijack an airliner and crash it into the tallest skyscraper on the West Coast.



"It took the combined efforts of several countries to break up this plot," Bush said. "By working together we stopped a catastrophic attack on our homeland."

Some information about the foiled attack was disclosed last year, but Bush offered more details to highlight international cooperation in fighting terrorists. He did not say whether information about the West Coast plot was collected by his administration's program to monitor — without court warrants — some calls to the U.S. from terror suspects overseas.

The White House said that issue was not the point of the speech, but the president and his advisers have been vigorously defending the legality of the program, which has been questioned by both Democratic and Republican lawmakers.

After weeks of insisting that divulging details of the monitoring program would hinder intelligence gathering, the White House relented Wednesday and began briefing some additional lawmakers.

Meanwhile, the president's monthlong campaign to convince Americans the government's eavesdropping program is essential to the war on terrorism appears to be making an impact.

In a new AP-Ipsos poll, 48 percent now support wiretapping without a warrant in cases of suspected communications with terrorists, up from 42 percent last month. Half say the administration should have to get a warrant, down from 56 percent. Men in particular have come around to Bush's view over the last month, the poll suggested.

On Capitol Hill Thursday, four Senate Republican holdouts reached agreement with the White House on minor changes in the Patriot Act, hoping to clear the way for renewal of anti-terror legislation that Bush says is essential in the fight against terrorists.

In his speech, at the National Guard Memorial Building, Bush said Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the reputed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, began planning the West Coast operation in October 2001. One of Mohammed's key planners was a man known as Hambali, the alleged operations chief of the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah, which is affiliated with al-Qaida.

"Rather than use Arab hijackers as he had on Sept. 11, Khalid Sheik Mohammed sought out young men from Southeast Asia — whom he believed would not arouse as much suspicion," Bush said.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa complained he first learned of Bush's remarks while watching TV.

"I'm amazed that the president would make this on national TV and not inform us of these details through the appropriate channels," said the mayor, a Democrat.

Bush press secretary Scott McClellan said that the White House did reach out before the speech to officials in California and that there was appreciation for the notification.

As the plot was described, the hijackers were to use shoe bombs to blow open the cockpit door of a commercial jetliner, take control of the plane and crash it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles, a 73-story building since renamed the US Bank Tower. In his remarks, Bush inadvertently referred to the site as "Liberty Tower."

The president said the plot was derailed when a Southeast Asian nation arrested a key al-Qaida operative. Bush did not name the country or the operative.

Frances Fragos Townsend, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, said Mohammed, working with Hambali in Asia, recruited four members of the terrorist cell and trained its leader in how to use shoe bombs.

Townsend said it was not clear whether there was any connection between the West Coast plot and shoe bomber Richard Reid, who tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight in December 2001. After that, the Transportation Security Administration began asking passengers to take off their shoes for inspection.

The Sept. 11 attacks originally were planned to include both the East and West coasts. "It was bin Laden who decided that it should just focus on the East Coast, and that the West Coast should be held in abeyance ... as a follow-on attack," Townsend said. "It's our understanding now that it was too difficult to get enough operatives for both the East and West Coast plots at the same time."

She said all four of the West Coast planners went to Afghanistan in October 2001 and met with Osama bin Laden.

Townsend said all four members of the cell have been apprehended. She declined to disclose their names or say where they were being held. She also would not identify the two South Asia and two Southeast Asian nations that helped foil the attack.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Bush's speech failed to lay out a comprehensive strategy to fight terrorists.

"As is too often the case with this president, the rhetoric does not match the reality," Reid said. "The fact is this White House has committed a series of national security mistakes that have made America less secure."
 

The Amish

Dumber than N8
Feb 22, 2005
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I think it falls under the same principal as the condom. Maybe you werent gonna knock that broad up anyways but better safe than sorry
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Japan
It's really a sign of how distrustful and cynical I am of the white house that my first thought when I saw this on the news was "what's his motives for releasing this now?".
 

Old Man G Funk

Choir Boy
Nov 21, 2005
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In a handbasket
valve bouncer said:
It's really a sign of how distrustful and cynical I am of the white house that my first thought when I saw this on the news was "what's his motives for releasing this now?".
He's pulling a bait and switch.

He's under attack for the wiretapping issue, so he comes out and says that they have foiled some attack. He doesn't bother to mention that it had nothing to do with the wiretapping that he's in hot water for right now.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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This happened in 2002 and had nothing to do with wire-tapping. The fact that that's the best they can do pretty much PROVES that the illegal wire-tapping is at best completely unecessary and most likely being used for some shady shady ****.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Doesn't it seem odd that the Mayor of LA didn't know about it until he watched the speach along with everyone else?

I would think that as Mayor, if there was a real plot, he would have been notified that it was under investigation long before it was thwarted.
 

MudGrrl

AAAAH! Monkeys stole my math!
Mar 4, 2004
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Boston....outside of it....
ALEXIS_DH said:
can you really prove you prevented something from happening?
Last year I was at a women's march in DC.

Sheryl Crow was standing in front of me.

If I had grabbed Sheryl Crow and made out with her, thereby getting her to fall madly in love with me, Lance wouldn't have been as happy (because something was missing), and he wouldn't have won his 7th TDF.

Yeah, that's right.

Lance owes his 7th TDF to me.


(of course this is all kinda weird now that they have split... so maybe I should just call her up and be like... 'yo, whassup honey?")
 

rooftest

Monkey
Jul 10, 2005
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OC, CA
jimmydean said:
Doesn't it seem odd that the Mayor of LA didn't know about it until he watched the speach along with everyone else?

I would think that as Mayor, if there was a real plot, he would have been notified that it was under investigation long before it was thwarted.
- You'd think so, but all of these stories are leaving out the fact that Villariagosa's been LA's mayor for a few months now - he wasn't the mayor in 2002.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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MudGrrl said:
Last year I was at a women's march in DC.

Sheryl Crow was standing in front of me.

If I had grabbed Sheryl Crow and made out with her, thereby getting her to fall madly in love with me, Lance wouldn't have been as happy (because something was missing), and he wouldn't have won his 7th TDF.

Yeah, that's right.

Lance owes his 7th TDF to me.


(of course this is all kinda weird now that they have split... so maybe I should just call her up and be like... 'yo, whassup honey?")
I was once about 15 feet away from GWB on his 2000 campaign, in the same room for an hour. I failed to take care of him. Had I only known...


I'm sorry.