[cali4niabiker]

I can't read any of that page without laughing out loud uncontrollably.

good $hit

the best is the hate mail...

yeah, word. The hate mail is some funny $hit!

here is a link monkeys: http://www.msu.edu/~couilla3/ninja/hatemail.htm

good times...

 

[Sandwich]

I had no problem with the rear susp... It was always the non QR front susp. that bothered me. A nice stiff fork like a z-150SL with a 20mm axle would make that bike really shine (imo) because you could lower the travel/height for uphills, 6in for down, and Air for reduced weight.
Everything else on the bike is stiff as he11. And I LOVED the paint-job.

Got any pics you could post...

you mean QR front susp? Yeah...the rear end isn't bad, but it does bob, a LOT. Especially in high travel mode, it's pretty noticable. I guess it's the concentric BB. I'm looking into new forks now...not sure if I want to wait until next year (probably will) when the new forks come out. A 20mm front with 4-6 adjustable would be ideal. I've also been condsidering the Stratos upgrade dampers, but I need a fork with 20mm dropouts, and I would prefer it not be a marz. Maybe they'll get their psylo sh.t together or something.

Anyways, I'll get pics after dinner. I swapped my protapers on it and my atomic stem, which gives it a nice short feel, despite the rather long TT. It really does do most anything, and so far I haven't doubted it over any jumps or drops (just my skill). The BB is shot though (sounds like grinding) and the brakes both need to be bled. I'm considering upgrading both. I rode at jiminy recently and the bike was OK, but stronger brakes and a better tire/front end combo would have really made it shine.

 

[OGRipper]

"Larger rotors are about more leverage, not more friction."

Hmmm, not sure but I think it's probably both. Unless I screwed up the math, an 8" rotor has 20% more pad area than a 6", meaning 20% more friction per wheel rotation. I've always heard that friction is the key but it makes sense that leverage is important too...it's gotta be a combination, otherwise rim brakes would have more power since they have more leverage, no?

I'm beginning to think you and I both know just enough to be dangerous.

I'm just glad my brakes stop good.

 

[frorider]

that ninja sh*t is da bomb. sweetness. looking at that site reminded me of the Napoleon Dynamite part where he was explaining how he needed her to move her stuff out of his locker so he'd have room for his num chuks.

http://www2.foxsearchlight.com/napoleondynamite/epk/index.php

check out the clip with the bike jump. gnarl.

 

[Sandwich]

you know that RUP stuff was on purpose, right?

BB i tried some art-phaggy pictures, but they just ended up being the same picture only really really close.

 

[Kornphlake]

Larger rotors are about more leverage, not more friction.

Kornphlake, your first sentence contradicts your second as I'm reading it...if more pistons=more power, why is the only advantage of 4+ pistons space savings?

MD

Maybe I didn't explain myself completely but my first statement does not contradict the second. Several .5 in pistons have more force than a single .5 in piston. However several .5 in pistons will have roughly the same force as a single 1.5 in piston, the only advantage to having multiple pistons that I can see is that you can arrange multiple pistons where you want them whereas a single piston is all in one place, with a series of small pistons you can have a narrower pad as well as a narrower braking surface on the disc. So comparing apples to apples a 4 pot hope would have less power than a 6 pot hope assuming that all pistons are the same size, however a single piston avid with gigantor piston may have more power than them all.

 

[Sandwich]

Maybe I didn't explain myself completely but my first statement does not contradict the second. Several .5 in pistons have more force than a single .5 in piston. However several .5 in pistons will have roughly the same force as a single 1.5 in piston, the only advantage to having multiple pistons that I can see is that you can arrange multiple pistons where you want them whereas a single piston is all in one place, with a series of small pistons you can have a narrower pad as well as a narrower braking surface on the disc. So comparing apples to apples a 4 pot hope would have less power than a 6 pot hope assuming that all pistons are the same size, however a single piston avid with gigantor piston may have more power than them all.

just to create more confusion....if I am correct, you can only have so much of one piston contacting the rotors surface. As in, if you had one 1.5 cm diameter piston, and your rotor is .5 cm wide, there is a lot of piston space not being used, correct? Whereas, if you had three .5 cm pistons, they would, in theory, contact more of the rotor, since each in a line would be in direct contact with the rotor.

Regardless, I think it's common acceptance that more pistons = greater modulation and control over braking power, along with less fade, rather than greater overall power. Is that correct?

 

[Kornphlake]

um, yeah that's what I said.

 

[Sandwich]

hey, how bout that..


sat reading comprehension score=0

 

[MikeD]

um, yeah that's what I said.

Ok, so it's about the surface area of your piston or pistons in total, not specifically the number that are in use...? (If the surface area is actually applied to the rotor through the pads, that is.) That's what I was assuming.

MD

 

[mcA896]

hmmm...heres a topic change

anyone tried those new IRD dual banger mechs? i'd love to get a set so i think ill be the guinea pig. i like the idea of a dual opposing piston mech.

 

[Sir_Crackien]

i would like to mention the most under rated brake in the world in my opinion. it is the shimano deore hydro. these things are great, they modulate really well and they have the most stopping power i have ever seen(except some avid setup for power, but they then have NO modulation). also they are not like the new shimano stuff with all that intigrated crap. they come with there onw lever which are interchange able with the old xt hydro levers.

 

[Sandwich]

So far, I can safely say that every brake mentioned sucks, and every brake is great.


probably depends more upon setup than anything else, huh.

 

[prophet6]

Alrighty. Time for me to weigh in on this mother.

First off: to the people talking about the boiling point of DOT fluid vs. Mineral oil.

DOT4 has a slightly higher boiling point than mineral fluid. However, DOT fluids are hydrophillic: they absorb water vapor from the surrounding air. So, as the fluid sits in a system, it absorbs water, and thereby lowers the boiling point. Mineral oil, on the other hand, does not absorb water. The boiling point is always the same.

So if you're prone to periodically purging and replacing the fluid, DOT is better. If you're like me and really don't like working on the bike like that, I'd run mineral fluid.

I run 4-pot shimano's with 160mm rotors and EBC red pads on an Imperial. When I grab a new fork, I'll be running the same thing with a 203 on the front. I've got plenty of power, but as my riding style evolves, my gear needs to keep pace. I've been braking later and later... so it's going to be time for more power.

best of luck.

p6

 

[The Kadvang]

hmmm...heres a topic change

anyone tried those new IRD dual banger mechs? i'd love to get a set so i think ill be the guinea pig. i like the idea of a dual opposing piston mech.

I saw those in MBA as I read it at Safeway last night... Look interesting- try it.

 

[punkassean]

i would like to mention the most under rated brake in the world in my opinion. it is the shimano deore hydro. these things are great, they modulate really well and they have the most stopping power i have ever seen(except some avid setup for power, but they then have NO modulation). also they are not like the new shimano stuff with all that intigrated crap. they come with there onw lever which are interchange able with the old xt hydro levers.

Deore's rock! Especially when used with older XT rotor's to save weight...