[kidwoo]

I know there's the whole palestine thing what with being the new neighbors in the late 40s and all.......but seriously.....why all the hate?

I think you have silly haircuts and coke bottle glasses and spend too much time reading out of date scrolls but that applies to a lot of the people that want to kill you too (cept replace glasses with funny towel hats).

But at the root of it all....besides arguing over 3 cents in change that I may or may not owe you for dinner, why does everyone want you off the face of the planet?

 

[sanjuro]

Jimmy Carter hates Israel:

Carter Book Stirs Furor With Its View of Israelis’ ‘Apartheid’
By JULIE BOSMAN

On Tuesday night in Phoenix, after signings and interviews to promote his new book, “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid,” President Jimmy Carter made a hastily arranged visit: an hourlong gathering with a group of rabbis.

“We ended up holding hands and circled in prayer,” Mr. Carter said in a telephone interview from Phoenix, adding that the rabbis requested the meeting to discuss his book.

It was an unusual interruption during an unusually controversial book tour, which began with a few faint complaints last month and has escalated to a full-scale furor, with Mr. Carter being trailed by protesters at book signings, criticized on newspaper op-ed pages and, on the normally sedate “Book TV” program on C-Span2, being called a racist and an anti-Semite by an indignant caller.

Such backlash is triggered by Mr. Carter’s assertions that pro-Israel lobbyists have stifled debate in the United States over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; that Israelis are guilty of human rights abuses in Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories; and that the editorial pages of American newspapers rarely present anything but a pro-Israel viewpoint.

But the bulk of outrage has come from his use of the word apartheid in the title, apparently equating the plight of today’s Palestinians to the former victims of government-mandated racial separation in South Africa.

Jewish groups have responded angrily, saying that Mr. Carter’s claims are dangerous and anti-Semitic. But Mr. Carter is steadfastly defending the book, saying he believes there is a valid comparison between Israelis and the white South Africans who oppressed blacks.

“It was obviously going to be somewhat provocative,” Mr. Carter said of the title. “I could have said ‘A New Path to Peace’ or something like that.”

But Mr. Carter said he felt apartheid was the most pertinent word he could use, and in retrospect he would not change any of the book’s content.

His book details his version of the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, beginning with the 19th century. He concludes that Israel is now following a “system of apartheid,” in which Israelis are dominant and Palestinians are deprived of basic human rights.

The book was published Nov. 14 by Simon & Schuster. It is at No. 7 on The New York Times’s best-seller list, and has sold more than 68,000 copies, according to Nielsen BookScan, which measures 60 to 70 percent of a book’s sales.

In the interview Mr. Carter defined apartheid as the “forced separation of two peoples in the same territory with one of the groups dominating or controlling the other.” Under that definition, he said, the United States practiced a form of apartheid during its “separate but equal” years of segregation.

Opposition to the book has appeared widely on newspaper editorial pages, including in The Washington Post and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

In an essay titled “It’s Not Apartheid,” Michael Kinsley lambasted the book in The Washington Post on Tuesday. “It’s not clear what he means by using the loaded word ‘apartheid,’ since the book makes no attempt to explain it, but the only reasonable interpretation is that Carter is comparing Israel to the former white racist government of South Africa,” Mr. Kinsley wrote.

In The Jerusalem Post, David A. Harris, the executive director of the American Jewish Committee, called the book “outlandishly titled.”

Abraham H. Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said: “The title is to de-legitimize Israel, because if Israel is like South Africa, it doesn’t really deserve to be a democratic state. He’s provoking, he’s outrageous, and he’s bigoted.”

This week the Anti-Defamation League began running ads criticizing Mr. Carter in major newspapers, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Mr. Carter has also fought off charges that he misappropriated material in a book by Dennis Ross, a former envoy to the Middle East who is now a foreign affairs analyst for Fox News.

And Kenneth W. Stein, an adviser to Mr. Carter, resigned last week from the Carter Center after calling the book “replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions and simply invented segments.”

Mr. Carter contradicted those claims, saying he had never read Mr. Ross’s book “The Missing Peace.” “I wrote every word myself,” he said. “I didn’t plagiarize anything.”

Mr. Carter has a longstanding interest in the Middle East conflict. When he won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, the prize committee cited his role in the 1978 Camp David accord between Israel and Egypt.

Mr. Carter wrote in an essay in The Los Angeles Times on Friday that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s lobbying efforts have produced a reluctance to criticize the politics of the Israeli government. The editorial boards of major American newspapers and magazines, he continued, have exercised self-restraint on the subject of Israel and the Palestinians.

A vocal pro-Palestinian viewpoint, he said, is “nonexistent in this country to any detectable degree.”

Which is the claim that Mr. Foxman said he found most offensive. “The reason he gives for why he wrote this book is this shameless, shameful canard that the Jews control the debate in this country, especially when it comes to the media,” he said. “What makes this serious is that he’s not just another pundit, and he’s not just another analyst. He is a former president of the United States.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/books/14cart.html?ref=arts

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I fail to care any longer. lthumbsdown:

 

[VTApe]

Agreed

 

[kidwoo]

I fail to care any longer. lthumbsdown:

Agreed

Okay it's settled

SS doesn't care any longer.


Jimmy C calls human rights issues. Coming from sects that beat their women for showing their face, that's rich. So is the entire middle east really that upset about how palestinians are being treated? I mean.....hell......they still got mecca.

 

[MMike]

don't make it bad
take a sad song
and make it better

 

[gsweet]

k, first off...don't confuse jew with israeli zionist. i'm a jew (a bad one at that - love my bacon), but not a zionist. i have no problem with a group of people having a set bit o' land, but basing that decision strictly on religion is kinda rediculous and honestly injust. for some reason the powers that were during the 1940's decided to just allocate shared land to jews. that's where the problem is...the official setting aside of land based on culture/religion.

 

[LordOpie]

 

[kidwoo]

k, first off...don't confuse jew with israeli zionist. i'm a jew (a bad one at that - love my bacon),

You're not even a jew, you're an INFEDEL!!!

mmmm bacon

for some reason the powers that were during the 1940's decided to just allocate shared land to jews. that's where the problem is...the official setting aside of land based on culture/religion.

When you try to make up for the fact that a significant portion or your population just got massacred, I guess real estate is about the best you can do. But seriously........what's going on in israel that all the peaceful islamists (they're not a violent religion I heard) need to get to? They got the big black rubik's cube they can all dance around so what's on the other holy land they want so bad as to call for the complete erradication of the jewish (okay zionist) state?

Is it JUST the holy land thing? Christ that's stupid.

I've got some good memories at my daycare but I don't blow up the kids hanging out there now.

 

[LordOpie]

k, first off...don't confuse jew with israeli zionist. i'm a jew (a bad one at that - love my bacon), but not a zionist. i have no problem with a group of people having a set bit o' land, but basing that decision strictly on religion is kinda rediculous and honestly injust. for some reason the powers that were during the 1940's decided to just allocate shared land to jews. that's where the problem is...the official setting aside of land based on culture/religion.

Don't forget that the majority, the biggest chunk of land was set aside for Arab-Muslims... ya know, Jordan. (see a map)

 

[3D.]

Is it religion or money...

I'll say it again, god save us from religion.

 

[kidwoo]

When do us atheists get some unholy land?

I'd fight for that if I never had to listen to any of the other folks.

..........I guess that's the problem all around though eh?

 

[TheMontashu]

I know there's the whole palestine thing what with being the new neighbors in the late 40s and all.......but seriously.....why all the hate?

I think you have silly haircuts and coke bottle glasses and spend too much time reading out of date scrolls but that applies to a lot of the people that want to kill you too (cept replace glasses with funny towel hats).

But at the root of it all....besides arguing over 3 cents in change that I may or may not owe you for dinner, why does everyone want you off the face of the planet?

Isreal is in many ways more high tech than we are, and Israelis act and dress like americans.

And I know why the Israelis hate the palistinians. First, they blow themselfs up inside of Israel killing inocent people. Second, the kindap Israeli soldiers. Third, they launch rockets into Israel. Fourth, palistinian kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers. Although I think most of it having to do with most of the arab world wanting us wiped off the map.

 

[sanjuro]

Although I think most of it having to do with most of the arab world wanting us wiped off the map.

You think?!?!?

 

[Reactor]

The solution is to make every country relocate every 20 years or so. Spread the lack of love around.

 

[BurlyShirley]

When do us atheists get some unholy land?

Las Vegas doesnt count?

 

[Da Peach]

I made a bit of an effort a few years ago to "get" it. I never did. And sadly, have lost interest.

I doubt God put aside an unholy portion of the planet for the aetheists when he created the universe. So good luck with finding it. Duh.

 

[Westy]

I think it is just trendy to hate folks who worship the same god in different ways.

 

[MikeD]

"Don't be afraid...remember, to let her under your skin....then you begin to make it better....

OOOOOOOYYYY OOOOOOYYY OOOOYYY OOOOOYYYY OOOYYY OOOOYYYY OOOOOYYY VEY

OOOOYY OOOOYY OOOOYYYY VEY

OOOOYY OOOOYY OOOOYYYY VEY"

Everybody sing!

 

[MikeD]

don't make it bad
take a sad song
and make it better

****, I was beaten to it.

 

[Echo]

****, I was beaten to it.

me too

 

[LordOpie]

When do us atheists get some unholy land?

You guys are pvssies compared to the rightful owners. Satanist would kick your ass.

 

[kidwoo]

You guys are pvssies compared to the rightful owners. Satanist would kick your ass.

that's silly.

A fictional crayon drawing of man's manifestation of evil isn't going to appear

But if he did appear I'd just thow water on him and make him go ssssssssssssssssss.

It's hard to look tough when you sound like you're deflating.

 

[stevew]

I doubt God put aside an unholy portion of the planet for the aetheists when he created the universe. So good luck with finding it. Duh.

It's called New Jersey.

 

[Westy]

It's called New Jersey.

I thought New Jersey was West Israel?

 

[EVILTWIN]

If they continue to blow-up 50-60 people per day when will they all be gone?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

k, first off...don't confuse jew with israeli zionist. i'm a jew (a bad one at that - love my bacon), but not a zionist. i have no problem with a group of people having a set bit o' land, but basing that decision strictly on religion is kinda rediculous and honestly injust. for some reason the powers that were during the 1940's decided to just allocate shared land to jews. that's where the problem is...the official setting aside of land based on culture/religion.

thats not where the problem is.
a lot of former colonies got partioned into countries by those same principles. and you dont see suicide bombers in brazil or martinique.

 

[Silver]

When do us atheists get some unholy land?

I'd fight for that if I never had to listen to any of the other folks.

..........I guess that's the problem all around though eh?

It's time for us to get together and take over Cascadia. And Utah...those damn polygamist families don't deserve that kind of powder. Dude's got 10 wives, he doesn't have time to make turns.

 

[kidwoo]

It's time for us to get together and take over Cascadia. And Utah...those damn polygamist families don't deserve that kind of powder. Dude's got 10 wives, he doesn't have time to make turns.

I have dreams of this.

James Polk was my man.

As far as utah goes, we could easily make it a territory. I figure we can chase everyone out by waving a cup of coffee and a fetus at them.

 

[Changleen]

thats not where the problem is.
a lot of former colonies got partioned into countries by those same principles. and you dont see suicide bombers in brazil or martinique.

You guys are too dumb to know how to make bombs.