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Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by N8 v2.0, Feb 11, 2008.

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  1. N8 v2.0

    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    Ok, left leaning Monkeys... here's thread to outline your reasons for voting Hillary over Obama or vice versa..

    I don’t have a dog in the fight, but I am curious as to reading your reasons.
     

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  2. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    No you're not.


     
  3. N8 v2.0

    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    meh.. this is based on discussion I had with me mum last night.. she like Hillary but I suspect only because my mum was very active in the Women's Movement back in the 60's and 70's... and the thought of a female president appeals to her.
     
  4. RenegadeRick

    RenegadeRick 98th percentile on my SAT & all I got was this tin

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    Toshi Harbinger of Doom

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    i will vote for whichever one gets the nomination, but my views are more in line with hillary's. in particular, i favor her health care/insurance system. obama's wouldn't compel people to obtain insurance so we'd largely be left in the same situation imo.
     
  6. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    ^^ agreed. if i understand obama's p.o.v. on healthcare, he would be perfectly fine w/ the uninsured seeking insurance only when they get sick.

    so many things seem fundamentally wrong with that, even if we didn't have a healthcare system already so heavily burdened by the uninsured.
     
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    McGRP01 beer and bikes

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    I honestly feel that Obama will bring about more change in this country than Hillary will. Clinton to me just seems to much like any other Washington politician. That being said, I will vote for whichever one wins the nomination over McCain.
     
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    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    What does that mean?

    What 'change'?
     
  9. kidwoo

    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    I can't stand the number of people voting for hillary simply because of her gender.

    If you agree with a candidate's views, fine, go with it. But I don't go out and vote for every guy with a 15" penis just because he happens to accurately represent my genetics on all socio-political matters.
     
  10. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    will you at least admit this may be the quickest way to get back the global r3sp3ct bush squandered?
     
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    McGRP01 beer and bikes

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    A change from the policies of the current administration.
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    i'm pretty sure if that didn't happen, it would be different from every preceding administration, which would ironically be yet another form of change. obama can't miss.

    is a mantra used to soothe the masses. and it works every time it's practiced (just like abstinence).

    "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."?
     
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    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    When it comes down to the line with a bunch of mysogonistic world leaders, whipping it out on the table loses its efficacy when 'it' is just a slab of beef curtains.
     
  14. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    On some strange level, I do think that he would be respected on a global scale more than McCain or Clinton. He is clearly a better public speaker than GWB, so that would be a huge improvement in itself.

    That's not why I would rather vote for him, but it would be an added benefit.
     
  15. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    So you'd be happy going back to the 1990s?
     
  16. Echo

    Echo crooked smile

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    I think we're pretty much gonna be stuck with a corrupt politician no matter who wins, Obama, Hillary, McCain, the Huckster.

    But Hillary just pisses me off. Maybe it's because I'm from NY, and I've seen firsthand how friggin' FAKE she is. Oh, you're a New Yorker now, since you bought a house here? People were calling it years ago, "she's only buying a house in NY so she can run for the Senate, and she's only running for the Senate so she can run for president."

    But the Hillary sheep just keep saying how she's so sincere and she cares about the country, blah blah blah.

    The only person she cares about is herself. Not that Obama is necessarily any better, but at as far as I know, he wasn't as friggin blatant about it.
     
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    I think that Obama is the more ethical choice.
    His campaign has been based more on positives than negatives. Hillary cosistently sends out mailers demonizing his financial policies. Bill dismisses his optimism as foolishness, and in turn tries to make people afraid and uncertain about Obama instead of promoting Hillary's strengths. The Clinton's seem to have been using fear to promote the idea that only someone who has traditional Washington experience can do the job.
    I feel that the ethical reforms that Obama has already made are simply a sign of things to come from his would-be administration.
    I think his promotion of unity within our own political system will be echoed on the world stage and certainly be a huge advantage in regaining the respect lost around the world.
    The Clinton's 'devide and conquer' mindset symbolizes what has held back real reforms in our healthcare and education systems, and just because they say they want to change things, I'm not sure why I should believe it when they have already failed in the past and their strategy remains very similar.

    What people have to remember in the discussion of 'what will get done when so-and-so is president' is that our system of checks and balances does not allow the president to make policy alone. It's the Senate and the House that ultimately makes the decisions of what will pass (with respect to the veto that is), and the Pres can only guide and encourage. Now who is more likely to unite the two sides in our split system enough to get reforms passed; someone who wants to emphasize the Us vs the Republicans like Hillary does, or someone who wants to reach across the isle for the greater good like Obama?
     
  18. jimmydean

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    I think no matter who wins, the first 4 years will be a sh!tstorm. But at least with the threat of Veto removed from a lot of good policies, Obama would have the best chance at getting things done and making changes happen.

    There will be a lot of un-f@cking policies while trying to keep a sinking ship above water. No easy task for anyone.
     
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    I'm not sure why anyone would want to be PotUS this time around.
     
  20. N8 v2.0

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    or anytime really.. it must be all about the power and the ego.

    I dont know why a sane person would want the office.
     
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    Agreed.
     
  22. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Don't forget the book deals, "consulting" fees, and life long speaking engagements. Figure for 4 years worth of work, you are set up for life.

    Not sure that's even close to being enough for me to consider it, but for some, it must be.
     
  23. Silver

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    Obama was against the Iraq war. That alone is worth some global credibility.

    Better speaking that GWB is setting the bar really low. Hell, Jean Chretien was a better speaking than Bush. I'd say that he is one of the better political speakers of the last 20 years, right up there with Clinton and Blair.
     
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    :stupid:

    By better, I meant A LOT better. Hell, I'm better and I have never spoken publicly. Last night was some show "100 most hilarious TV moments" or some crap and #6 was GWB's "Fool me once..." speech. It was awesome.
     
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    For once, agreed. :clapping:
     
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    I listened to an Obama speach last night. He sounded like a politician and didn't really say all that much but he didn't say anything that made me want to punch him in the face. I think that is a first for a politician.
     
  27. N8 v2.0

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    Obama is a master at delivering political speeches that dont say anything at all..
     
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    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    Well considering Obama wasn't in the senate to make that vote on whether or not to go to war with Iraq, and considering his voting block, I'd say of course he's be against it now... (from ABCNews)


    :p

    But otherwise on Iraq he and Hillary are the same:

     
  29. ohio

    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    Stinkle will love this one, but while we're talking about someone getting the vote or not based on the superficialities of race and gender...

    A friend who is doing her research in Ethiopia was talking about the global value of having a mixed-race president. She described how when she shows pictures of her American friends to her Ethiopian colleagues, they point to the Asian or Black ones and ask, "where is he from?" When she says "Minnesota," they say "no, but where did he COME from?" The idea and image of America the Melting Pot is totally lost to a good portion of the world. They see our TV and they see our politics, and they think Americans are white. Regardless of actual politics (there's the part that should chafe stinkles jumblies) there would be a huge boost to America's global image and diplomatic efforts simply from not having GW and Cheney (or Billary) be the (rich, white) face of America.
     
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    Of course Obama is about as black as I am hispanic...

    And not to mention he didn't exactly live in the ghetto and go to inner city schools... hell he had a hard time getting acceptance from his urban peers for the longest time.
     
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    I think the point is he doesn't look like a rich white guy. Unless you are saying you wear a poncho and sombrero, then I understand.
     
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    Toshi Harbinger of Doom

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    why must being black mean conforming to your personal stereotype of black people? (and why does the black community continue to support this nonsense?)

    a successful, well-educated black man is still a black man.
     
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    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Pffffft.....says the "so-called" japanese guy....

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    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Is that where they get their piece of the pie?
     
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    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    hahaahahha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

    You're gonna get banned :rofl: :busted:
     
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    Toshi Harbinger of Doom

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    luckily for me the japanese stereotype is of being short (check), educated (check), polite (mostly check :D), and taking lots of photos from a big SLR (check). you'd have to ask my girlfriend to see if i conform to the other, not so complimentary japanese stereotype.

    :pirate2:
     
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    Only if he rocks spinners on his briefcase.
     
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