I am willing ot bet if the frame is made by anyone other then honda, it will be a manufacturer in taiwan or japan, not kinesis.
I think butch was just throwing a name out.
I think butch was just throwing a name out.
Do you honestly think this thread is anything other than e-speculation?Ian Collins said:yeah, well, you have a point, but the one thing worth mentioning is that the cage for the gearbox is a plastic mold, and it's two piece and asymetrical...that means there are two parts and two molds...that's expensive as ****, and no one in the DH industry could afford it.....also....are you sure that the frame is made by kinesis, or are you especulating??
of course not! isnt it fun :dancing:WheelieMan said:Do you honestly think this thread is anything other than e-speculation?
geez, people cant discuss their thoughts ideas and opnions? if this place was run like an encyclopedia it'd be pretty boring.thaflyinfatman said:hahaha don't we all
But seriously... 100 odd posts, 50 or so completely speculative theories on what Honda is planning to do with the bike, another 50 BS conspiracy theories, and somewhere in there a whole shïtload of pseudoeconomists who are coming up with inane dribble about whether Honda can manufacture a freakin pushbike at a reasonable cost.
Please people, shut the hell up until you're actually SURE of what you're saying, because this has been the most uninformative, overwanked, unreliable, speculative thread I've ever read.
naw, thats not a big deal at all, plastic molds are pretty straight foward and simple to produce, especially for a clean and open design like a case (look at all the cheap injection molded parts on low end gear). Forgings and metal castings can be alot more complicated however, for example the lenghts the big S went for the Demo9 is a bit nutty.Ian Collins said:yeah, well, you have a point, but the one thing worth mentioning is that the cage for the gearbox is a plastic mold, and it's two piece and asymetrical...that means there are two parts and two molds...that's expensive as ****, and no one in the DH industry could afford it.....
According to Honda (engineer i talked to Sept. 04 @ Masters in Bromont), Greg has 2 bikes in North America and 2 in Europe. He essentially races the same one all the time on each continent unless there is a problem with it.seismic said:Well - but how long time does he has to ride the same frame ? The tear and wear from the private customer will be stretched over a much longer period - and then we will see what can hold up - and especially what can not...
What you said, they would be cheap as a cheap thing if they only intend making small numbers, making a die last for a long prodution run gets expensive.zedro said:naw, thats not a big deal at all, plastic molds are pretty straight foward and simple to produce, especially for a clean and open design like a case (look at all the cheap injection molded parts on low end gear). Forgings and metal castings can be alot more complicated however, for example the lenghts the big S went for the Demo9 is a bit nutty.
Note also the very ghey logo in the bottom right of the pic.Changleen said:The bike in the very first pic in this thread had not been set up to ride. Note the ghey saddle and angle of the brake levers.
yeah, but with long production runs you make that back through volume. Anyways the point was its not even close to being beyond a bike makers (or outsourcers) capability, there are tons of molded plastics, casting, forgings, hydroformings, all sorts of processes in the bike industry. Hell, modern high end bikes seem to have more technologically advanced manufacturing than alot of modern airplanes. It doesnt take a massive company like Honda to release a product with a hunk of plastic on it, and lets not forget they probably chose that material because it is so much cheaper than any alternative.Percy said:What you said, they would be cheap as a cheap thing if they only intend making small numbers, making a die last for a long prodution run gets expensive.
whats wrong with the levers? i ride mine like that.Changleen said:The bike in the very first pic in this thread had not been set up to ride. Note the ghey saddle and angle of the brake levers.
What, are you the worlds shortest man? They're sticking out from the bar practically parallel to the ground!S.G.D said:whats wrong with the levers? i ride mine like that.
less strain on my wrists. my fingers, hands and arms are all parallel.
i ride a pretty small seat to.
what does that have to do with me being short or not??Changleen said:What, are you the worlds shortest man? They're sticking out from the bar practically parallel to the ground!
Wow, touchy. I don't have any problem with people discussing their thoughts/ideas/opinions on the proviso that they don't make BS claims about what a company they have nothing to do with, is going to do. That's all.zedro said:geez, people cant discuss their thoughts ideas and opnions? if this place was run like an encyclopedia it'd be pretty boring.
Or maybe after 100 odd posts and you being the only complainer, maybe the minority should shut the hell up instead...
Just thought that I'd chime in since Knolly was mentioned by Gonzostrike earlier.zedro said:yeah, but with long production runs you make that back through volume. Anyways the point was its not even close to being beyond a bike makers (or outsourcers) capability, there are tons of molded plastics, casting, forgings, hydroformings, all sorts of processes in the bike industry. Hell, modern high end bikes seem to have more technologically advanced manufacturing than alot of modern airplanes. It doesnt take a massive company like Honda to release a product with a hunk of plastic on it, and lets not forget they probably chose that material because it is so much cheaper than any alternative.
Besides, i'm guessing its a vacuum-mold part, and not injected, with is really cheap and easy.
What do Alec Baldwin and the Film Actors Guild have to do with bearings?knollybikes.com said:(now the same company since INA bought out FAG - unfortunate English accronym!)
I learn something every time I read your posts... Thanks for some of the interesting info, both bike related and non-bike related.knollybikes.com said:Just another opinion from someone with a pretty solid manufacturing back ground
Noel Buckley
Yeah....I hate I had to slog through ten pages to get to that post, but it explained a lot.atrokz said:thanks Noel, a solid reponse.
Not really, the costs for injection molds and forging tools are very similar, the only difference ussually is that you need an extra tool for some forgings to produce a blank that is the correct shape for the process. Also there are some forging processes that are 2-step processes, like a brake lever for example. This requires 2 forging tools.zedro said:naw, thats not a big deal at all, plastic molds are pretty straight foward and simple to produce, especially for a clean and open design like a case (look at all the cheap injection molded parts on low end gear). Forgings and metal castings can be alot more complicated however, for example the lenghts the big S went for the Demo9 is a bit nutty.
Tarpon said:What do Alec Baldwin and the Film Actors Guild have to do with bearings?
Be One developped the system and Hayes bought it.B1 (Ithink) is using the Hayes system in their GB bike.
do consider that many of the drawbacks of single pivots are due to drivetrain interaction, and that the honda will not suffer from them...Kevin said:Im not a big fan of single pivot bikes and I dont see why this one should be different.
Not to mention all the 's who ride DHR's.Transcend said:I find it funny how most riders & racers say they hate a single pivot, they don't work well etc...meanwhile some of the fastest guys ont he WC are on them.
Makes ya wonder...marketing departments sure are at work hard trying to convince us that single pivots.
Gracia, Peate, Minnaar, Leikhonen, vasquez, pascal, all 3 athertons.
just think about that knowledge informing a bike's design.binary visions said:I learn something every time I read your posts... Thanks for some of the interesting info, both bike related and non-bike related.