[punkassean]

i'm picturing those clueless downtrodden housewives in those info-mertials who throw their hands up in the air at the HUGE complication of having a chunk of aluminum and two extra bolts....

BWAHAHHAHAHA!

just saw this, too freakin' funny!

Picking up where Zed left off...

Narrator: Are you tired of trying to mount your existing hi-performance disc brakes on to the latest awesome not even released yet heavily speculated DH fork only to find that you need some silly expensive custom adapter or that it won't even work at all?

Woman: Nods head up and down, wide eyed

Narrator: Well you'll never have to do that again with our proven system that will mount to most anything in a jiffy!

Cut to image of woman shredding the gnar with huge smile plastered across her face.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Zedro, who you calling a clueless housewife, punk?

Brian, your complaints are all about how it will affect you as a Hope user, and you're right, at the moment it doesn't make a lot of sense for Hope users.

I'm not a hope user (anymore) so I couldn't care less how it affects you. Don't you get it? It's all about me. :evil:

And anyway, it's not an Avalanche so you don't want one anyway, right?

My understanding is that Fox talked to some brake manufacturers who themselves were fed up with needing to offer a bunch of different calipers and/or adapters. To me it seems to simplify things for everyone - KISS indeed - calipers can be made for 6" rotors as a default (like they pretty much are now for everyone except Hope as far as I know), and if you want you can get a fox fork and run an 8" rotor without an adapter. You still need an adapter for larger rotors in the rear and for other forks without the new spec. So yooz can all have your adapters if you want 'em.

Yeah, you're out of luck if you are dumb enough to buy a fox DH fork and either want a 6" rotor or you didn't think to check out whether it's gonna work with the brake you own or want.

Is it not ok for me to like the idea?

But don't you need a 6" adaptor for Hayes? The Fox has IS type tabs, doesn't it? So if I'm correct, which is very seldom its not a direct bolt on. A Hope caliper would be a direct bolt on.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Yo, I too just talked to my buddy at Fox and got the same response about OEM shipping now and the rest in a few weeks to a month. I might get a Sherman Firefly to tide me over. What do I need (Rotor/Adapter) to make my mono M4 #3 caliper fit a Sherman post-mount? Or is it even possible???

Don, Brian, James???

You'll need to use a 200mm rotor with a HBSM20H adaptor.

 

[Curb Hucker]

or just get a 180 rotor to tide you over

 

[zedro]

Narrator: Are you tired of trying to mount your existing hi-performance disc brakes on to the latest awesome not even released yet heavily speculated DH fork only to find that you need some silly expensive custom adapter or that it won't even work at all?

Woman: Nods head up and down, wide eyed

Narrator: Well you'll never have to do that again with our proven system that will mount to most anything in a jiffy!

Cut to image of woman shredding the gnar with huge smile plastered across her face.

Garanteed to mount to anything! **

** Garantee not actually a garantee; void in all states

 

[Brian HCM#1]

or just get a 180 rotor to tide you over

Manitou uses that post mount.

 

[Curb Hucker]

Manitou uses that post mount.

oh ya, stupid manitou

 

[OGRipper]

But don't you need a 6" adaptor for Hayes? The Fox has IS type tabs, doesn't it? So if I'm correct, which is very seldom its not a direct bolt on. A Hope caliper would be a direct bolt on.

I think you are correct, I'm pretty sure it's an IS mount and if so, yep an IS adapter is still gonna be required for Hayes, Avid and other post-mounts. And hey, lots of the new shimano calipers are post-mount with an IS adapter. I just happen to be one of the people who has IS calipers and 8" rotors so it will work for me.

Not that I'm getting one.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I think you are correct, I'm pretty sure it's an IS mount and if so, yep an IS adapter is still gonna be required for Hayes, Avid and other post-mounts. And hey, lots of the new shimano calipers are post-mount with an IS adapter. I just happen to be one of the people who has IS calipers and 8" rotors so it will work for me.

Not that I'm getting one.

I guess thats the point I was trying to make. Hopes best bet then is to make a #5, if the Fox mounts turn out to be popular. I just never saw the point of changing from a regular IS to this, but only time will tell.

 

[OGRipper]

I guess thats the point I was trying to make.

Glad you figured out yours, I'm still not sure what mine was. I think I'm going a little stir crazy from not enough saddle time. [Faces the sky and curses the rain.]

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Glad you figured out yours, I'm still not sure what mine was. I think I'm going a little stir crazy from not enough saddle time. [Faces the sky and curses the rain.]

I hear yah, I was supposed to get a little XC ride in today, till I heard the rain at 3am :mumble:

 

[punkassean]

Okay just talked to Fox again and the the 36 does not use the "big" IS standard like the 40, it uses regular IS (6") tabs. So then the rotor I have for my M4 is the wrong one . What do I need to get to fit my #3 caliper up front with either the rotor I have (218mm) or something a little smaller, maybe as small as a 180mm. A 180mm rotor will bolt right up correct?

Don, what size rear rotor did I get again? Was it larger than 180mm?

Final question, if I get a 180mm rotor for the front what do I need to mount the #3 caliper to a Sherman with that rotor.

Sorry I am new to the Hope way of doing things and getting a crash course

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Okay just talked to Fox again and the the 36 does not use the "big" IS standard like the 40, it uses regular IS (6") tabs. So then the rotor I have for my M4 is the wrong one . What do I need to get to fit my #3 caliper up front with either the rotor I have (218mm) or something a little smaller, maybe as small as a 180mm. A 180mm rotor will bolt right up correct?

Don, what size rear rotor did I get again? Was it larger than 180mm?

Final question, if I get a 180mm rotor for the front what do I need to mount the #3 caliper to a Sherman with that rotor.

Sorry I am new to the Hope way of doing things and getting a crash course

A 180mm won't work with the Sherman, you need a 200mm rotor. Changing the rotor to a 180 would be the easiest, or use a 40mm adaptor on your #3 and use your current mega rotor, but this is for the Fox.

 

[punkassean]

So a 40mm adapter would allow me to mount my #3 caliper to a standard IS tab with a 218mm rotor? That's what I'd like to do eventually (once I get the 36) but in the mean time if I can buy an adapter and 200mm rotor to run on a Sherman what adpater would I need for a Manitou post mount?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

So a 40mm adapter would allow me to mount my #3 caliper to a standard IS tab with a 218mm rotor? That's what I'd like to do eventually (once I get the 36) but in the mean time if I can buy an adapter and 200mm rotor to run on a Sherman what adpater would I need for a Manitou post mount?

A HBSM20H

 

[punkassean]

Thanks B!

I might need to order a 200mm rotor and that adapter from you, I'll PM you if that's what I decide to do...

 

[punkassean]

Garanteed to mount to anything! **

** Garantee not actually a garantee; void in all states

...

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Thanks B!

I might need to order a 200mm rotor and that adapter from you, I'll PM you if that's what I decide to do...

Let me know ASAP cause I'm placing an order with them sometime next week.

 

[punkassean]

Cool, I'll find out about the fork right now...

 

[zedro]

gosh, you guys should make a Hope spreadsheet. Which caliper number for which rotor size (available to the particular model) for which fork/frame mount. I think you might need that new 64bit processing technology to figure it out tho...

 

[punkassean]

If anybody has a Fox 40 on order and runs Hope #3 calipers I have a brand new 218mm rotor that I am selling because I found out I don't need it for my 36. You need this rotor to run #3 Hopes on the 40 according to what we've collectively figured out in this thread... PM me

Sorry to spam but this might help someone out...

 

[davep]

Hey Chainwhip.. if you just need the big rotor, i have one sitting arround gathering dust. I am in seattle It is yours if you need it. Send me a mail.

 

[punkassean]

Off Topic:

In light of the fact that Fox delayed the release of the 36/40 a few more weeks to a month, I called Manitou today and ordered a Sherman Firefly just to use until my 36 is ready. Here's the cool part, I got the very last camo lowers that Manitou is ever going to sell according to my sales rep. From here out the Firefly will be black only and the Flick will be gray only, not sure about the Breakout and Slider+ but I think they can be either black or gray. I also ordered the proper adapters/rotor for the Hope to fit the Sherman and the 36 from Brian

I think erbon camotoe fork lowers will look sweet on the charcoal ano frame with new Deemax and some bling bling Hope M4's! I can't wait to ride this damn bike already!

 

[ChainWhip]

Hey Chainwhip.. if you just need the big rotor, i have one sitting arround gathering dust. I am in seattle It is yours if you need it. Send me a mail.

Couldn't find your email - RM won't let me email you through the forum... But check yer PM's.

 

[Trond]

Does Fox warrant a 218mm rotor on their DH40?

 

[James | Go-Ride]

They should, although I have no idea whether or not they actually will. I say they "should" in an ethical sense; they made a new standard to eliminate use of adaptors but almost every brake on the market now still requires an adaptor so it's really just a pain for everybody, especially mfgs like Hope who don't offer a 6" version of their DH brake and are forced to either make a new caliper or a giant rotor.

 

[OGRipper]

Good to know the 36 is not using the new fox spec, didn't make sense to me since lots of people might want to run rotors smaller than 6".

And hey Sean (is that your name?), you might just love that manitou and not want the fox...anyway good luck.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

They should, although I have no idea whether or not they actually will. I say they "should" in an ethical sense; they made a new standard to eliminate use of adaptors but almost every brake on the market now still requires an adaptor so it's really just a pain for everybody, especially mfgs like Hope who don't offer a 6" version of their DH brake and are forced to either make a new caliper or a giant rotor.

But then again why would you spend the $ on a Hope M4 for a 160mm front 140mm rear rotor, I guess thats why they no longer make it. Kinda a waste, thats why they have the Mini.

 

[Curb Hucker]

And hey Sean (is that your name?)

His actual name is Rusty Shakleford

 

[The Kadvang]

His actual name is Rusty Shakleford

I heard he likes little jewish boys too....

Rusty Q. Shakleford, what a guy...

 

[punkassean]

Rusty is just my porn name guys...

In all seriousness, I talked at length today with my buddy from Fox and they are indeed not making any official statement at this time as to the use of lager than 203mm rotors on any of their forks but specifically the 40. Fox has not had a chance to test this setup and until they do they will not officially approve it. I personally can't see how 7.5mm additional radius would be enough to do any damage but I also understand their not wanting to give the official go ahead just yet...

OG, I have had two Shermans in the past and have been pleased with them but I have never had a fork I loved as much as my recently parted with TALAS :love:
The Sherman is great but I will run the 36 ASAP

I'm with Brian, why run a smaller than 6" rotor ever? Let alone on a fork like the 36? I'd think a 180mm is the smallest that should realistically be mounted on a fork like that.

 

[zedro]

Rusty is just my porn name guys...

you mean you're the Rusty Nail?

lol

that'd be the best porn name ever....

 

[The Kadvang]

you mean you're the Rusty Nail?

lol

that'd be the best porn name ever....

Eww.

Zedro has creeped me out.

 

[OGRipper]

That is friggin' hilarious!!! "Rusty Nail" HAHHAHAHAHAHA!! Just think of the movie names...

Like Rusty Nail in "Erector Set: The Gathering."

 

[zedro]

That is friggin' hilarious!!! "Rusty Nail" HAHHAHAHAHAHA!! Just think of the movie names...

Like Rusty Nail in "Erector Set: The Gathering."

this is a "G" rated audience, so you'll have to use your imagination with any title with the word combinations of Hammer or Wood, or Head, or Drive....gosh the possibilities really are endless....

....what was this thread about again?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

....what was this thread about again?

The political and social aspects of the common house fly.

 

[James | Go-Ride]

But then again why would you spend the $ on a Hope M4 for a 160mm front 140mm rear rotor, I guess thats why they no longer make it. Kinda a waste, thats why they have the Mini.

Why would somebody spend excessive money or something? Don't you run Avy suspension?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Why would somebody spend excessive money or something? Don't you run Avy suspension?

Yes, but thats not the point. Would you use a #5 M4 caliper with a 160mm rotor on your DH fork and a 140mm rotor for the rear? Thats what it would be with the normal IS mount. I'm figuring thats why Hope dropped the #5 from their DH line, it really wasn't necessary......................til now.

 

[zedro]

Yes, but thats not the point. Would you use a #5 M4 caliper with a 160mm rotor on your DH fork and a 140mm rotor for the rear? Thats what it would be with the normal IS mount. I'm figuring thats why Hope dropped the #5 from their DH line, it really wasn't necessary......................til now.

oh now dont try and duck the question by confusing us with Hope interchangability issues.

Maybe you should draw us a flow chart? :evil:

 

[James | Go-Ride]

Yes, but thats not the point. Would you use a #5 M4 caliper with a 160mm rotor on your DH fork and a 140mm rotor for the rear? Thats what it would be with the normal IS mount. I'm figuring thats why Hope dropped the #5 from their DH line, it really wasn't necessary......................til now.

My original point was that Fox should still warranty the forks with the big rotor since they effectively forced Hope to choose between machining a new caliper or new rotors to be compatible with their fork. I'm not sure why you brought up the cost of the brake, there are equally expensive disc brakes on the market that are available with 6" rotors.