[Brian HCM#1]

My original point was that Fox should still warranty the forks with the big rotor since they effectively forced Hope to choose between machining a new caliper or new rotors to be compatible with their fork. I'm not sure why you brought up the cost of the brake, there are equally expensive disc brakes on the market that are available with 6" rotors.

I wasn't directing it to cost, rather then why you anyone spend money on a DH caliper that can under normal sircumstances use a way too small rotor. Meaning its not cost effective for Hope to make them since nobody would be buying them.

 

[zedro]

Meaning its not cost effective for Hope to make them since nobody would be buying them.

its not cost effective either to be making a bunch of different caliper halves and odd rotor sizes.....

 

[Zark]

its not cost effective either to be making a bunch of different caliper halves and odd rotor sizes.....

Yeah, no doubt. And the advantage is no adapter and no post mount Which is actually a negative if you switch your system to a different fork. Boy, I just love switching caliper halves and bleeding brakes, its the best

 

[zedro]

Yeah, no doubt. And the advantage is no adapter and no post mount Which is actually a negative if you switch your system to a different fork. Boy, I just love switching caliper halves and bleeding brakes, its the best

yeah, the best part about adaptors, is the adaptability....

 

[OGRipper]

Well can't you get an adapter to use a post-mount caliper with an IS fork mount? So you can still use post-mount calipers with the new DH40, you just need the adapter that would otherwise be for a 6" not an 8" rotor...um yeah I think we need that flow chart.

And I don't think Fox should be factoring in your ability to switch to someone else's fork. With both IS and post-mount out there, other manufacturers sure aren't.

And James, I don't think Fox is forcing anyone to use Hope or any other brake, so I don't agree they should warranty a bigger rotor because of Hope's decision not to make a compatible caliper. Maybe they should warranty bigger rotors anyway, but not for the reason you suggest.

All you naysayers better face it, this is the greatest thing since the invention of the hite rite.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Yeah, no doubt. And the advantage is no adapter and no post mount Which is actually a negative if you switch your system to a different fork. Boy, I just love switching caliper halves and bleeding brakes, its the best

Then again you can buy a #3 caliper brake, then use a 20mm or 40mm adaptor, or a Manitou adaptor, since you guys like the world of adaptors.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I just talked to Hope this morning, and they may end up making the #5 caliper.

 

[punkassean]

its not cost effective either to be making a bunch of different caliper halves and odd rotor sizes.....

especially when you are talking about Hope mono's that don't have caliper halves. Hence the name "mono"...

I like the Rusty nail thing that's hawt

 

[zedro]

especially when you are talking about Hope mono's that don't have caliper halves. Hence the name "mono"...

I like the Rusty nail thing that's hawt

oops, i forgot. Too much drama....

 

[Incubus]

its not cost effective either to be making a bunch of different caliper halves and odd rotor sizes.....

It's even more cost in-efficient than that. I don't need to tell a bright guy like you that the mono in mono M4 means they're not half calipers. I'd be nice if Hope users only needed a new caliper half rather than a new caliper entirely.

Edit: walked away from my laptop for too long. Already covered by punkassean.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

It would be nice if Hope used the same type of adaptor they use on the M6.

 

[zedro]

It would be nice if Hope used the same type of adaptor they use on the M6.

wait, i'm confused....you used to argue the old multi-caliper system was better no? which is it?

 

[OGRipper]

Multi-caliper is great so long as they make every different caliper in every different size and they always have them in stock...

Now that Hope is all mono-rific perhaps they are starting to embrace adapters?

 

[punkassean]

I like the Avid mounting the best, those concentric washers do a great job making up for misalignment of the tabs. Also their adapters allow for inboard/outboard spacing w/o additional washers of various thicknesses. Remove the adapter completely and direct mount for Manitou. Piece of cake...

 

[Brian HCM#1]

wait, i'm confused....you used to argue the old multi-caliper system was better no? which is it?

It's all good for me, I can care less if I need to buy another caliper. It would make it easier for the ones who cry about it though.

 

[zedro]

It would make it easier for the ones who cry about it though.

i'd cry if my uber expensive brakes became obsolete because of short-sighted engineering design/product management decisions.

oh wait, i just wouldnt get sucked into buying them in the first place

 

[Brian HCM#1]

i'd cry if my uber expensive brakes became obsolete because of short-sighted engineering design/product management decisions.

oh wait, i just wouldnt get sucked into buying them in the first place

We still haven't seen the positive side of Fox's mount yet especially since they really aren't available to the public yet, all the other mounts have been fine for years. Its Fox's curve ball, not the brake manufactures. Funny thing is everyone is pumping this fork up and know one really even knows how it performs. Reminds me of the 888 bandwagon and it was the end all be all of fork...................... Next in line please for the bandwagon train.

 

[zedro]

........... Next in line please for the bandwagon train.

heh, reminds me of a brake system that rhymed with Hope and Mono

 

[Zark]

We still haven't seen the positive side of Fox's mount yet especially since they really aren't available to the public yet, all the other mounts have been fine for years. Its Fox's curve ball, not the brake manufactures. Funny thing is everyone is pumping this fork up and know one really even knows how it performs. Reminds me of the 888 bandwagon and it was the end all be all of fork...................... Next in line please for the bandwagon train.

Now be real Brian. The issue Zedro is heated with is post mount caliper/adapter systems are superior. No one on one of those systems would even bat an eye at Fox's mount system. You'd use a 6" adapter instead of an 8" one, easy. Once you can admit that its silly Hope fights post mount calipers, the happier you'll be

 

[zedro]

Once you can admit that its silly Hope fights post mount calipers, the happier you'll be

It would be nice if Hope used the same type of adaptor they use on the M6.

see, he does, only when it's convenient tho...(edit, ok just realised it still isnt a post mount, but it's a step in the right direction at least)

Hope Rules!

 

[Rik]

At least with riding bandwagons, you get to see new sights. It's better than being blinkered and going around and around the same arguments all the time.

 

[OGRipper]

Brian, we're debating brake mounting "standards" not fork performance. I don't need to ride the DH40 to know that if IS calipers fit the way they say, the new DH brake mount will work for me.

I agree it's over-hyped but come on.

 

[Curb Hucker]

Reminds me of the 888 bandwagon and it was the end all be all of fork.

But it is

 

[zedro]

But it is

wait, i thought the WB was the end all of forks...

As far as what curb hucker said (hi don) keep in mind that he gets the hookup from white brothers............ and is therefore thier b!tch, rolling on his back purring, pawing ever so playfully at the camera but never forgetting his place, subservient to his master, required to perch himself upon his knees, and arch his back, willfully presenting whenever instructed to do so.

:evil:

 

[Curb Hucker]

Dick, and yes it is