[$tinkle]

i came across this quote in the jerusalem post

"Khaled Mashaal, head of the Hamas political bureau, lashed out Sunday at the Arab countries for failing to support his movement, saying the entire Arab nation is at war with Israel and the US"

and surely we know now that bin laden was at war with us before we were at war with him.

are we to make that mistake again, or take him out now? Bear in mind, the Hamas political bureau is based in Syria, which means that government is harboring a terrorist organization.

so, with situations like this one, which is the best choice:

• surgical strike from predator drone (invades airspace, a belicose act)
• wetwork by cia ops (again, a belicose act)
• contract kill from in-country friendlies
• sit & wait to get kicked in the sacque yet again

 

[LordOpie]

I think that whenever there's an opportunity to kill a known terrorist and just him and his associates -- in otherwords, no collateral damage -- that opportunity should be taken and worry about global political consequences later.

So, if we can contract with in-country friendlies, we should.

Israel's got the right idea, go after the evil leaders and try to kill as few "innocents" as possible.

The Hydra may have many heads, but if you cut enough of 'em off fast enough, it *will* die.

 

[$tinkle]

i just hope we never get a website like the IDF does. They are much more patient than i would come to expect of a nuclear nation. To put it in perspective for our population, since 2000 (the latest intefadah (sp)), it would be like us losing 17,000 with another 94,000 injured. You think this is what it would take for the libs to go medieval?

 

[Spud]

Want to clean up Terrorist supporters? we need look no further than our friends the Saudis..... :devil:

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Spud
Want to clean up Terrorist supporters? we need look no further than our friends the Saudis..... :devil:

better still, require that gas stations fly the flags of the source of their oil. Then we can choose to fund the royal family, which funds the madrasas, which breed hate, which targets westerners.

it's a big tent.

 

[Toshi]

ever think it might be a better idea to stop doing the things that piss these terrorists off so much? hate does not spring fully formed from the womb...

 

[Spud]

Originally posted by Toshi
ever think it might be a better idea to stop doing the things that piss these terrorists off so much? hate does not spring fully formed from the womb...

f^ck that everyone knows they hate us because we are free....

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
ever think it might be a better idea to stop doing the things that piss these terrorists off so much?

like...?

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by $tinkle
like...?

Living. They hate that.

 

[Westy]

Originally posted by $tinkle
like...?

Supporting a$$hole leaders who favor us but screw their own people like Saddam and the Shah. When is comes to foreign policy the US is a big bully. That was fine when we were competing against the Soviets (other big bully) but now we are the only and biggest jerk on the block. I won't even start on our biased support of Israel whether it is perceived or real.

 

[Tenchiro]

All our presence does is piss them off, I don't think there is anything we can do to change that. Alot of them are fueld by ignorant religious zealots, who pray on peoples fears to make the west look like a great evil oppressor.

Once we are no longer dependant on arab states for fuel, I think their attitudes will quickly change especially when their wallets start to thin out. I can't wait until we are no longer dumping money into that part of the world.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Westy
Supporting a$$hole leaders who favor us but screw their own people like Saddam and the Shah.

i'm pretty sure we stopped doing that during the first reagan administration.
you normally have very reasonable posts. What happened - landlord raise the rent?

Originally posted by Westy
I won't even start on our biased support of Israel whether it is perceived or real.

oh, it's real. and it's right.
but perhaps you'd rather see what would happen if we stopped? it would most likely be one of either total annihilation of the jews or the arabs. Either way, the region would be uninhabitable for a few hundred years. To see how it's already being played out, check out this journal of the Chernobyl dead zone.

 

[Westy]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i'm pretty sure we stopped doing that during the first reagan administration.

Most of it did go away with the end of the Soviets, like when we left the previously supported Afghani's to fight amongst themselves after the Soviets left. Our policies of 15-20 years ago shape the world we live in today. Time will only tell what will result in our support of the scumbags running Pakistan. We seem to be quietly stepping away from Saudi Arabia but that one is already biting us in the ass.

Originally posted by $tinkle
oh, it's real. and it's right.
but perhaps you'd rather see what would happen if we stopped? it would most likely be one of either total annihilation of the jews or the arabs. Either way, the region would be uninhabitable for a few hundred years. To see how it's already being played out, check out this journal of the Chernobyl dead zone..[/B]

How many times in the past ten years have we "condemned" something the Israelis have done, plenty. And all we do is issue a message that we condemning their actions. Maybe we should pull back a few million dollars of support everytime they do something stupid.

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Westy
Time will only tell what will result in our support of the scumbags running Pakistan.

I'm fairly ignorant of Pakistan, so you'll have to elaborate. But I was chatting with an Indian friend yesterday about this and he said something interesting things, like the war between 'em started over water! Yup, not oil or gold, but water. Apparently, India sits between *the* water supply and Pakistan and there's stress over that.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Westy
We seem to be quietly stepping away from Saudi Arabia but that one is already biting us in the ass.

concur.
it seems that everyone on the agrees on this.

Originally posted by Westy
How many times in the past ten years have we "condemned" something the Israelis have done, plenty. And all we do is issue a message that we condemning their actions. Maybe we should pull back a few million dollars of support everytime they do something stupid.

as much as i do agree we should change what & how we respond to IDF actions, i say we should go the other way and STFU. Who are we to tell them not to defend themselves while we have boots on the ground in how man countries, all in the name of defending our freedom. We are grossly hypocritical when it comes to condemnation of israel, even if only symbolically (i.e. with a wink & a nod).

 

[Toshi]

i think that if we ceased to support israel, there would be a gaping hole in the ground, littered with fallout. the thing is that it wouldn't be israel: they're the only nucelar state in the region afaik.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/03/1674914.php

it IS hypocritical of the us to merely condemn israel for their actions -- it's been confirmed that they have amassing wmds, while we invaded iraq on a mere suspicion that's looking more and more likely to be false each passing day.

here's another article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3643907.stm

other things we do to piss off terrorists: support corrupt governments such as saudi arabia's in return for cheap oil (the current story of how the saudis would lower oil prices in time for the upcoming election is par for the course), and support human rights only when it's in our economic interest to do so (china, south america). ok, maybe the terrorists aren't pissed off about the last point so much, but i am.

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Toshi
other things we do to piss off terrorists: support corrupt governments such as saudi arabia's in return for cheap oil

you give terrorists way too much credit. I read somewhere that Bin Laden is only pissed at the US cuz we backed out on a deal with him some 20 years ago and he's just getting personal revenge. He couldn't care less about anything other than himself. And I suspect very few terrorists actually have good intentions.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
other things we do to piss off terrorists: support corrupt governments such as saudi arabia's in return for cheap oil

not sure i follow.
if we indirectly fund the building & maintenance of the madrasas, how can they be pissed? Not that they'd ever stop & think about that - which takes away valuable plotting time against the infidels.

Originally posted by Toshi
(the current story of how the saudis would lower oil prices in time for the upcoming election is par for the course)

you do realize this is a common jesture done for every administration, not just this one

Originally posted by Toshi
and support human rights only when it's in our economic interest to do so (china, south america). ok, maybe the terrorists aren't pissed off about the last point so much, but i am.

exactly, for if we were consistent, we'd be in the muslim run sudan & (likely) indonesia. Then you talk about the fit hitting the shan.

 

[Westy]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I'm fairly ignorant of Pakistan, so you'll have to elaborate. But I was chatting with an Indian friend yesterday about this and he said something interesting things, like the war between 'em started over water! Yup, not oil or gold, but water. Apparently, India sits between *the* water supply and Pakistan and there's stress over that.

I know very little of Pakistan myself but here are the few things I know that scare me.

-Musharraf gained power through a military coupe, albeit a bloodless one.
-Pakistan is far from being a stable country.
-Pakistan has Nukes
-Pakistan has shared NukUlar technology.
-Pakistan has its share of fundamentalists, Musharraf is quite western, if he falls the pendulum is likely to swing far past center.

Currently Pakistan is not that bad, but it seems to me that we should be doing our best to stop them from spreading WMD's and keep them as stable as possible. It seems more like we are getting their help for an "unknown" favor to be named later.

 

[golgiaparatus]

Send an operative over there to sneak into his bedroom and give him a throatectomy.