[$tinkle]

with black unemployment numbers double that of whites, and triple of asians, and a liberal policy of unwillingness to enforce illegal immigration laws, when are blacks going to go against what is widely called "better judgment" & be more vocal about policies which affect -- but do not target -- blacks?

or is there a fundamental institutionalized racism that targets blacks disproportionate to hispanics/asians/whites?

this is one area where i believe having a random white democrat in office would be better for black employment, as the al sharptons of the country would continue to be empowered to RATM, & whitey would make amends to appease the race-baiters by bending over backwards to give preference to blacks when all other things are equal (or even slightly less than equal).

soft bigotry of low expectations? probably so.

thread inspired after reading http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/16/black-unemployment-racism-or-personal-responsibilty/print/

 

[Silver]

You got inspired after reading something off the Daily Caller?

A used maxi pad wasn't available?

 

[$tinkle]

i see you choose once again to continue to plumb the intellectual depths like lex steele to a cambodian preen

 

[sanjuro]

The Food-Stamp President?

 

[kidwoo]

blacks

You forgot a "the" in there.

 

[$tinkle]

You forgot a "the" in there.

what can i say? all this talk of blacks has made me teh lazy

 

[heavy metal]

problems this old don't go away overnight, and this is especially true when presidents are just branding for the same old ideas.

 

[$tinkle]

problems this old don't go away overnight, and this is especially true when presidents are just branding for the same old ideas.

1] what do you see as "the problem"?
2] what're "the same old ideas" obama's branding?

 

[johnbryanpeters]

...unwillingness to enforce illegal immigration laws...

I'm all for unwillingness to enforce immigration laws. I don't care whether a person has crossed a border "illegally," I care whether the person is a good person.

Our immigration rituals are a bunch of unmitigated bureaucratic crap.

 

[$tinkle]

I'm all for unwillingness to enforce immigration laws. I don't care whether a person has crossed a border "illegally," I care whether the person is a good person.

and i'm all for ignoring hate-crime legislation, as i see it as redundant & therefore in violation of the 5th amendment

Our immigration rituals are a bunch of unmitigated bureaucratic crap.

howsa 'bout a compromise: immigration reciprocity, a-la CCW or contract laws b/t states.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

I understand where you're coming from logically but don't agree with you on pragmatic grounds in the first statement, but will not engage here and now. perhaps over beers sometime.

CCW reciprocity does not work worth a tinker's damn for me - for instance, since VT does not require a permit, there's no way for me to legally carry in FL, not that I have an immediate reason to do so.

I think that the US-Canadian border should be absolutely open about yesterday - no restriction in flow either way. Mexico's much more of a problem because of the drug thugs created by the War Against. I believe, though, that that and all borders could and should be opened.

 

[MMike]

I'm all for unwillingness to enforce immigration laws. I don't care whether a person has crossed a border "illegally," I care whether the person is a good person.

Our immigration rituals are a bunch of unmitigated bureaucratic crap.

but you guys let me in

 

[stevew]

but you guys let me in

you bring teh funny.

 

[ohio]

Ward Connerly, chairman of the American Civil Rights Institute, on the other hand, told TheDC that while there might be some elements of racism in the culture, they are isolated and do not explain the disparity, it is largely an education and immigration issue.

“The more likely factors are these: for skilled positions, blacks are less educated and less skilled than whites and Asians; and for unskilled positions, I believe illegal immigrants are having a huge effect on black unemployment,” Connerly wrote in an email. “We can find this in construction-related jobs and in the food service industries, in particular. And, of course, in agriculture, Hispanics are dominant.”

The irony, I'm certain, is lost on the quotee.

To spell it out for $tink: the only way to disassociate racism from a lack of education and skills is to pretend that a few centuries of institutionalized racism haven't created a downward spiral of a culture that doesn't value education and a broader society that doesn't provide it even if it was valued.

 

[$tinkle]

I think that the US-Canadian border should be absolutely open about yesterday - no restriction in flow either way. Mexico's much more of a problem because of the drug thugs created by the War Against. I believe, though, that that and all borders could and should be opened.

if nat'l borders are the strongest, or most widely recognized, then how does that square w/ school districts, or other arbitrary boundaries where one pays into the system to enjoy benefits of the same?

yeah, beers. i'm wicked smaht when i drank

The irony, I'm certain, is lost on the quotee.

you know what irony means, right? maybe you mean something else?

To spell it out for $tink: the only way to disassociate racism from a lack of education and skills is to pretend that a few centuries of institutionalized racism haven't created a downward spiral of a culture that doesn't value education and a broader society that doesn't provide it even if it was valued.

i do not permit you to interpret my point as blaming the victim, nor do i permit you to think they cannot do anything to overcome burdens, some of which are certainly unique to their culture. if we could, as a society, identify what this stifling "it" is, don't you think we'd export that to our enemies instead of bombing them into oblivion? such a lost opportunity, this "institutionalized racism", that while unique within our borders, is anything but in the global scheme

do you have any serious & equitable suggestions to put us on the path to equality of opportunity & cultural course correction? whatever you do, please refrain from invoking a higher power, or ethical monotheistic morals. to this, i would take the highest offence.

i would march on the steps of trader joes

 

[H8R]

Note:

The President doesn't do sh1t. Not this one, not any of them.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

do you have any serious & equitable suggestions to put us on the path to equality of opportunity & cultural course correction? whatever you do, please refrain from invoking a higher power, or ethical monotheistic morals. to this, i would take the highest offence.

i would march on the steps of trader joes

Circle of life....information in, information out.

 

[$tinkle]

Circle of life....information in, information out.

uhh...i wouldn't call a noose a circle of life...


racist

 

[Secret Squirrel]

uhh...i wouldn't call a noose a circle of life...


racist

Now who's projecting?

 

[$tinkle]

Hulu - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: One Nation Overdrawn: Black Community Loyalty@@AMEPARAM@@http://www.hulu.com/embed/E8088XHM7S2rkgX_eVTunA@@AMEPARAM@@E8088XHM7S2rkgX_eVTunA

if obama's lost jon stewart, he's lost black america

 

[dante]

Poor black people seem better at NOT stabbing themselves in the eye by voting for the worse candidate just because he/she is different than the current candidate. Poor white people on the other hand, will get behind an economically devastating corporatist "grass roots" program like the Tea Party just because it's different from the party in power.....

 

[$tinkle]

so you're saying blacks are more principled b/c they always bet on black?

but i will grant you that you never see poor blacks at grass roots rallies, just hippies, retirees, & union thugs (on the clock, of course)

mo money mo problems!

 

[dante]

so you're saying blacks are more principled b/c they always bet on black?

Principled? Intelligent? Lucky? Apathetic? Combination of two or more of those things?

but i will grant you that you never see poor blacks at grass roots rallies, just hippies, retirees, & union thugs (on the clock, of course)

mo money mo problems!

You also don't see poor blacks at town hall meetings screaming "keep your damn government hands off my Medicare (or Medicaid/welfare?)!!!" Whether that's due to intelligence and realizing that that's the government's signature on every entitlement check that they receive, or apathy about the political process, who knows?

 

[stevew]

Poor black people seem better at NOT stabbing themselves in the eye by voting for the worse candidate just because he/she is different than the current candidate.

they're perfectly capable of fvcking themselves over on their own?

 

[$tinkle]

Principled? Intelligent? Lucky? Apathetic? Combination of two or more of those things?

i was thinking 'hopeful' & 'loyal', but certainly not 'racist'. that's reserved for white people only

You also don't see poor blacks at town hall meetings screaming "keep your damn government hands off my Medicare (or Medicaid/welfare?)!!!" Whether that's due to intelligence and realizing that that's the government's signature on every entitlement check that they receive, or apathy about the political process, who knows?

or perhaps, "just keep your mouth shut & we can keep living here in the guest house -- don't make no trouble"


(i gotta stop watching The Wire & all manner of spike lee joints)

 

[Toshi]

The irony, I'm certain, is lost on the quotee.

To spell it out for $tink: the only way to disassociate racism from a lack of education and skills is to pretend that a few centuries of institutionalized racism haven't created a downward spiral of a culture that doesn't value education and a broader society that doesn't provide it even if it was valued.

I don't see much effort, outside of Bill Cosby's odd rants and Obama on the campaign trail, to try and change this culture. On the other hand, I'm not sure if any outside influences will amount to a hill of beans worth of change, and, as I've written about before, I don't think that the current attempts at jerry-rigging the outcome such as affirmative action actually help address the underlying cause at all. Either way, I don't really give a damn as long as motivated kids of any race or ethnicity can rise to their true potential.

 

[MMike]

I don't see much effort, outside of Bill Cosby's odd rants and Obama on the campaign trail, to try and change this culture. On the other hand, I'm not sure if any outside influences will amount to a hill of beans worth of change, and, as I've written about before, I don't think that the current attempts at jerry-rigging the outcome such as affirmative action actually help address the underlying cause at all. Either way, I don't really give a damn as long as motivated kids of any race or ethnicity can rise to their true potential.

racist

 

[$tinkle]

Either way, I don't really give a damn as long as motivated kids of any race or ethnicity can rise to their true potential.

the world needs antique farm equipment, too

 

[ohio]

I don't see much effort, outside of Bill Cosby's odd rants and Obama on the campaign trail, to try and change this culture.

I agree. If we spent half the effort and energy we do battling over affirmative action on primary education and community, we may actually achieve some progress.

There are examples - Geoffrey Canada's Harlem Childrens Zone comes to mind - that get to the root of this and are willing to acknowledge that you can't just fix the school without addressing parenting and community. But these are few and far between, and the first to starve when budget crises hit.

 

[$tinkle]

what do you have in mind? work camps? and we could house & feed them for free, too.

 

[jimmydean]

I don't see how the color of a presidents skin = bad for people of the same color.

When Bush was in office and there was the suck for unemployment, did people point out that whites were better/worse because the president was also white?

It's easy to show racism in the work place when studies have been shown that identical resumes are != when a name is changed. "Steve" gets a phone interview while "Juwan" gets tossed when all other aspects of the resume are identical.

You can't make a law that says "Juwan" must also get an interview.

 

[$tinkle]

did people point out that whites were better/worse because the president was also white?

approves

 

[jimmydean]

Damn, got me there. I was trying to stay within the context of the discussion (employment), my bad.