[dante]

Can you imagine being an independent-leaning college student and finding out that your federally-issued passport (or drivers license from anywhere other than WI) isn't good enough to vote thanks to a Republican bill designed specifically to keep you from voting? Any chance that you're ever going to vote GOP for the rest of your life?

I can just imagine at some point in the future the GOP is going to be trying to figure out just *why* everyone under 35 is voting Democratic, kind of like how they can't figure out *why* minorities are voting straight-line Democrat. Never said they were that bright.......

 

[4xBoy]

What should be required?

 

[Pesqueeb]

This is only partialy about preventing young people from voting.

 

[dante]

What should be required?

So far states that have voter-ID laws allow *any* government-issued ID to be used. That can be a state drivers license (not necessarily from the state that you're voting in) or a US Passport. The fact that WI is mandating state-issued drivers licenses ONLY means that the out-of-state college students who are allowed to vote here can't use their valid home-state drivers licenses or a US Passport to prove their identity.

True all voter-ID laws seem targeted towards suppressing Democratic-leaning voting groups, but this one seems to go out of it's way to specifically target out-of-state college students.

 

[DaveW]

What justification did they give for not allowing the use of a passport??????

 

[Silver]

What justification did they give for not allowing the use of a passport??????

Jesus didn't mention it in the Constitution that he wrote at the Boston Tea Party.

 

[4xBoy]

The fact that WI is mandating state-issued drivers licenses ONLY means that the out-of-state college students who are allowed to vote here can't use their valid home-state drivers licenses or a US Passport to prove their identity.

Where do they vote, what district do they supposed live in?

I am not for or against, but having a passport says nothing about living in the area you are voting in.

How do you prove where you are really living?

 

[Silver]

Where do they vote, what district do they supposed live in?

I am not for or against, but having a passport says nothing about living in the area you are voting in.

How do you prove where you are really living?

A student ID?

 

[stoney]

The way they are doing this is not the proper way to do this, but as someone who has experienced first had the end results of a city being destroyed/damaged by a large number of transient residents, I see where they are coming from.
Berkeley has some of the most draconian laws regarding rents rights you can imagine, and those laws make it almost impossible to sell a house that is currently being rented.
They are also loaded with debt because students, who don't have to deal with the long-term consequences of their votes, vote for everything that sounds good.
If you change your residency officially feel free to vote locally, but if you are not changing your residency location, why should you vote for local initiatives?

 

[dante]

Where do they vote, what district do they supposed live in?

I am not for or against, but having a passport says nothing about living in the area you are voting in.

How do you prove where you are really living?

Before you register to vote you need a photo ID (any government-issued photo ID, including out of state drivers licenses or US passports), and a piece of mail with your name and address on it. Usually it's a utility bill to "prove" that you live in a certain place and are paying bills there.

What this bill does is add an extra step which means you HAVE to go to a DMV beforehand and get a WI id, whether it's a drivers license or a "state ID card". It's simply adding time and expense to voting in the hopes that it discourages some of the "fringe voters" from actually voting.

 

[dante]

If you change your residency officially feel free to vote locally, but if you are not changing your residency location, why should you vote for local initiatives?

Everyone is allowed to vote where they "live". If you spend 9 months out of the year in one place and decide to vote there, great. If you still consider your parent's house "home" and want to vote there that's fine too. You just have to order an absentee ballot and be done with it. There is no official "residency change form" that you have to fill out when you move.

 

[jonKranked]

Everyone is allowed to vote where they "live". If you spend 9 months out of the year in one place and decide to vote there, great. If you still consider your parent's house "home" and want to vote there that's fine too. You just have to order an absentee ballot and be done with it. There is no official "residency change form" that you have to fill out when you move.

when I was in college (went out of state in NY, grew up in / parents live in PA) I did the absentee ballot. I didn't change my license when I moved there, even though after the first summer at home in PA I was in NY year round. In retrospect, seeing as how I lived and worked there (and subsequently paid taxes there), I probably should have gotten a license and registered to vote locally.

 

[Pesqueeb]

when I was in college (went out of state in NY, grew up in / parents live in PA) I did the absentee ballot. I didn't change my license when I moved there, even though after the first summer at home in PA I was in NY year round. In retrospect, seeing as how I lived and worked there (and subsequently paid taxes there), I probably should have gotten a license and registered to vote locally.

 

[4xBoy]

Before you register to vote you need a photo ID (any government-issued photo ID, including out of state drivers licenses or US passports), and a piece of mail with your name and address on it. Usually it's a utility bill to "prove" that you live in a certain place and are paying bills there.

What this bill does is add an extra step which means you HAVE to go to a DMV beforehand and get a WI id, whether it's a drivers license or a "state ID card". It's simply adding time and expense to voting in the hopes that it discourages some of the "fringe voters" from actually voting.

If you are living somewhere for 9 months, you are living there, so, you probably should already have a state i.d. then.

If you are "staying" there while going to school, you are probably free riding off your parents who are republicans anyways and will figure out a way for you to vote.

 

[dante]

If you are living somewhere for 9 months, you are living there, so, you probably should already have a state i.d. then.

If you are "staying" there while going to school, you are probably free riding off your parents who are republicans anyways and will figure out a way for you to vote.

I spent the first 3 years of college without a car, so why should I have to go get another state's "ID" if I didn't have a car to drive? Granted I went to school in the same state as I had lived in previously, but if I'd gone to school in another state but didn't have a car, why should I have to go stand in line at the DMV just to get an ID card? Most urban universities make it REALLY easy to not have a car, and for some (I'm thinking Columbia/NYU for instance) it's downright impossible/expensive to have one.

 

[4xBoy]

I can go get a state I.D. in 30 minutes, if a college student doesn't have that much time, they need to put the bong down.

 

[dante]

I can go get a state I.D. in 30 minutes, if a college student doesn't have that much time, they need to put the bong down.

Awesome, you personally can get a state ID in 30min. Good for you. I can guarantee you that if I'd had to get another state ID when I was in college it would have been a 4-5 hour affair. Since I DIDN'T HAVE A CAR I would've had to find public transportation, and since the college I went to was in the middle of downtown Rochester, I would've been sitting at the DMV for 2-3 hours. All to justify some harebrained scheme by the Republicans to keep people like me from voting by making it hard enough that I don't bother.

In the last election, there were 20 cases of "voter fraud" here in WI. The new "voter ID" law would have prevented.......... zero of those. Not a single one of the cases of voter fraud would have been prevented with this new law. If you can't see how that a) is a blatant attempt at disenfranchising young voters and b) how it's going to backfire on the Republicans, well, I don't really know what to tell you.

 

[stoney]

Awesome, you personally can get a state ID in 30min. Good for you. I can guarantee you that if I'd had to get another state ID when I was in college it would have been a 4-5 hour affair. Since I DIDN'T HAVE A CAR I would've had to find public transportation, and since the college I went to was in the middle of downtown Rochester, I would've been sitting at the DMV for 2-3 hours. All to justify some harebrained scheme by the Republicans to keep people like me from voting by making it hard enough that I don't bother.

In the last election, there were 20 cases of "voter fraud" here in WI. The new "voter ID" law would have prevented.......... zero of those. Not a single one of the cases of voter fraud would have been prevented with this new law. If you can't see how that a) is a blatant attempt at disenfranchising young voters and b) how it's going to backfire on the Republicans, well, I don't really know what to tell you.

Has there been a paradigm shift in PWN? You bitch more than me now...

 

[dante]

Has there been a paradigm shift in PWN? You bitch more than me now...

Oh yeah, it's called "GOP takeover in my state and they're focusing on bullsh!t social issues..."





(Ok, that and the fact that it's winter in WI, so I haven't gotten in a decent ride in the past ~2 months. To and from the bar is fun, but it's not quite like a good 5 hour long road ride on a Saturday afternoon, or DH'ing for the entire weekend straight)

 

[stoney]

Oh yeah, it's called "GOP takeover in my state and they're focusing on bullsh!t social issues..."





(Ok, that and the fact that it's winter in WI, so I haven't gotten in a decent ride in the past ~2 months. To and from the bar is fun, but it's not quite like a good 5 hour long road ride on a Saturday afternoon, or DH'ing for the entire weekend straight)

Google + Wisconson indoor climbing gym = an outlet. Try it.

 

[4xBoy]

2-3 hours, and your class schedule was 6AM to 10PM every day also I suppose.


BTW Minnesota is trying to pass the same law right now also.

In the school where I vote they have rooms for four different districts, people across the street from me are in a different district and I have to drive into another district to vote. You have to check on a map to find what room you vote in.

Which is why I can see a need to have a state I.D. BUT if you have a current bill and another photo I.D. that should still allow you to vote.

 

[Pegboy]

Are you paying in or out of state tuition?

 

[dante]

2-3 hours, and your class schedule was 6AM to 10PM every day also I suppose.

I take it you've never been to an urban DMV. It's an hour minimum, usually 2-3 hours. When you go to ones out in the middle of nowhere it's usually a 5min affair.

Which is why I can see a need to have a state I.D. BUT if you have a current bill and another photo I.D. that should still allow you to vote.

Yeah, that's why our awesome governor is trying to implement the strictest rules in the nation, including prohibiting as many young college students from voting as possible.

 

[4xBoy]

I take it you've never been to an urban DMV. It's an hour minimum, usually 2-3 hours. When you go to ones out in the middle of nowhere it's usually a 5min affair.

Actually I use five different ones in Minneapolis, each one is good for something.

 

[Silver]

The whole point is that voting is a right that shouldn't have a bunch of roadblocks imposed in front of it.

The actual details of how long it takes to get a state ID are worthless to the discussion.

 

[4xBoy]

The whole point is that voting is a right that shouldn't have a bunch of roadblocks imposed in front of it.

The actual details of how long it takes to get a state ID are worthless to the discussion.

True,.....But,.....

What fun is that?

 

[X3pilot]

The whole point is that voting is a right that shouldn't have a bunch of roadblocks imposed in front of it.

with the possible exception of having to pass an intelligence test...

 

[jonKranked]

2-3 hours, and your class schedule was 6AM to 10PM every day also I suppose.

hey dingus, don't forget that a lot of us also worked 20 to 30+ hours a week while in college.

 

[4xBoy]

hey dingus, don't forget that a lot of us also worked 20 to 30+ hours a week while in college.

I worked full time.

And it wasn't at the local hipster coffee shop.

 

[jonKranked]

I worked full time.

And it wasn't at the local hipster coffee shop.

so you worked at the DMV. it all makes sense now.

 

[Sghost]

WI has colleges?

 

[4xBoy]

WI has colleges?

Actually just bar tending and sausage cooking classes.