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How to Talk to Women, part 1 (a primer for shop employees)

sunny

Grammar Civil Patrol
Jul 2, 2004
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Sandy Eggo, CA
This morning after telling my husband about an overweight over-30s woman who came into our shop, and how I drew her out so that she would speak to me, he asked me if this method of drawing women out could be taught or learned. "Why not?" I responded. "You should teach it," he said.

So, for anyone interested...

SCENARIO: Middle-aged, overweight woman comes in to bike shop alone, begins looking at bikes. Shop employee approaches her with a smile, "Hi. How can I help you today?"

Her response: "Oh, I'm just looking..."

Shop employee smiles and says, "OK," and walks away. Woman continues looking at bikes. After a few minutes, woman wanders to the door and says, "Thanks," and leaves.

Sigh. Another lost opportunity.


THE WAY THINGS ARE:
1. Very very few women over the age of 30 are simply going to wander into a bike shop "just to look." She came there on purpose. Almost every woman, if she comes into your shop by herself, especially if she does not look athletic, is there because she wants to ride a bike. Remember this.

2. Most women are slightly uncomfortable in a bike shop, just like men can be uncomfortable at, say, a Tupperware party or a bridal shower. For most, it's simply not their element.

3. As the sales person, your job is to find ways to help people, especially women, feel at ease in the shop, to educate them, and help them find the bike that is best for them.

QUESTIONS TO ASK
1. "So, are you looking for a bike for yourself or someone else?"
This is safe. It assumes she's there to purchase, and if it's not about her, then you always have an opportunity later so ask whether she is a cyclist too or whether she wants to become one.

2. "When you think about what you want to do with the bike and where you want to go, what comes to mind?"
This helps both of you identify what she's looking for. It could be anything from a comfort bike to a road hybrid. Listen to her.

3. "Well, just like there are all kinds of vehicles for different tasks, there are different bicycles for different purposes. You get a Honda Civic if you're commuting a lot, but you get a Honda Element if you're going camping a lot. If you like, I can tell you a little about the different bikes and what they're designed to do best? One of those bikes is probably something like what you have in mind..." (Because she usually DOES have something in mind.)


HOW TO TALK TO THE OVERWEIGHT OVER-30S WOMAN IN YOUR SHOP

My conversation with the lady went like this:
Me: So are you looking for a bike for you or for a friend...?
Lady: Well, for me.
Me: Do you already have a bike?
Lady: No, no I don't.
Me: (big smile) Well, GOOD for you, for wanting to get out there!
Lady: (smiles) Yeah... thanks.
Me: So, when you think about what kinds of things you want to do, and where you want to go, what comes to mind?
Lady: Oh, gee, just kinda riding around, I guess.
Me: Do you see yourself riding along the Bay, or around the neighborhood, or maybe up the Coast? Or do you think you'd like trail riding?
Lady: Just, like, around the Bay, or around the neighborhood.

NOTE: She's just told me what she wants to do. Now to show her a bike that will do that.

Me: Well, there are a couple bikes that fit the description of what you're looking for... So, a "comfort bike" is designed for relaxed riding, like going around the Bay or on a groomed path. It's puts you in an upright position, almost like you're in an office chair.
Lady: Oh, I like that. I get pain in my low back sometimes, so I'm not really wanting to lean over.
Me: (we move to the comfort bikes) Well, there are two main kinds of comfort bikes; one with mountain wheels that are 26" tall, and ones with road wheels that are about 27" tall. Why that matters has to do with efficiency, and to some degree, your center of gravity on the bike.
[Explaining tire size and why it matters.] So, if you and I are having a race across the room, and I get the gallon drum (I make a motion like I am rolling something waist-high with my hands at shoulder width) and you get the tomato can (I make a quick rolling motion with my hands right next to each other), who's doing more work?
Lady: Oh, I see.
Me: So if you're looking for efficiency, or you want to cover any distances, you might prefer a road-style comfort bike. You may feel more comfortable on the mountain-style, though. If you're up for a test-ride today, you could ride them both and tell me which one you prefer...?
Lady: Oh, I'm not really dressed for a test ride today...
Me: (admittedly, she's not) Well, when you're ready, come in with some comfortable clothes and tennis shoes, we'll set you up for a test ride, I'll teach you how to shift and make sure you're comfortable on the bike.
Lady: That would be great, because I don't think I've ever seen these shifter things like this...
Me: Ya, know, the first time I walked into a bike shop, I pretty much pointed to a bike that I liked the color of and said, "I like that one," and he said, "But it's not your size," and I said, "Wait - you guys have sizes??" So don't be afraid of asking questions. That's what we're here for.

(Everyone has a quick story that identifies himself as a noob... and people appreciate that they're not alone.)

I gave her a business card, told her the days I work and that I'd be happy to work with her and help her find the bike she's looking for. Hopefully she'll be in again soon.




If you have found this helpful, have comments that would help make something like this helpful, or are intrigued in my ideas and would like to subscribe to my newsletter :brows: please let me know. I love to teach, and if it gets more women on bikes, so much the better.

Thanks for reading,
sunny
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Denver
Brilliant!

However, I would suggest using this for men too. I see way too many shop sales people pushing the biggest and baddest on everyone when clearly, some men are in the same boat.

If I was to emphasize one thing you said, it would be...

Also, everyone in sales could take a lesson from you.

Want a job? Ever thought about selling print/marketing stuff? :D
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
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SF
That can be applied to so many things, your a genius.
Actually, this would not apply to many men. A customer came in and started to challenge the staff about road bikes. As temper rose, I had to step in and start talking about head tube angles, rake, stiffness, frame tube construction...

Most women are not interested in that.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
21,022
3
Denver
Actually, this would not apply to many men. A customer came in and started to challenge the staff about road bikes. As temper rose, I had to step in and start talking about head tube angles, rake, stiffness, frame tube construction...

Most women are not interested in that.
Yes, but that dude sounds like he deserved a c0ckpunch.

You can't c0ckpunch a woman.
 

Serial Midget

Al Bundy
Jun 25, 2002
13,053
1,897
Fort of Rio Grande
The last time I saw you
I couldn't look you in the eye
You're so ****ing special
You're skin makes me cry...

Like that?

Seriously though, its not just a women thing. No one has time to "just look" - if they are in a shop they are most likely considering purchasing something. If a shop employs sales people who don't care then they don't deserve anyone's business.
 

sunny

Grammar Civil Patrol
Jul 2, 2004
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Sandy Eggo, CA
The last time I saw you
I couldn't look you in the eye
You're so ****ing special
You're skin makes me cry...

Like that?

Seriously though, its not just a women thing. No one has time to "just look" - if they are in a shop they are most likely considering purchasing something. If a shop employs sales people who don't care then they don't deserve anyone's business.
But I don't think it's about "not caring." If you don't have the right tools, you will not do the job as well as you could.

All the guys in the shop where I work are caring, gentle men. But they still don't know the best way to draw out people who want to shut you down. I think this is especially true of women (customers) who, intentionally or not, shut you (the salesman) down with a dismissive "I'm just looking."

There are always new guys who are new to sales who simply need to be given the tools, or the words to say, to do their job better.

Many caring sales people would respond to the "Just looking" by leaving the customer alone, not wanting to hassle her or make her feel he's "selling" her something. But if you approach the sales floor with the mindset of an educator or a match-maker, the threat of someone selling you something you don't need or want is removed.
 

sunny

Grammar Civil Patrol
Jul 2, 2004
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Sandy Eggo, CA
LordOpie said:
Brilliant!...
Thanks! :)

LordOpie said:
Also, everyone in sales could take a lesson from you.

Want a job? Ever thought about selling print/marketing stuff? :D
I do like to write... have anything in mind? Always looking for a way to afford more bike parts...
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
21,022
3
Denver
I do like to write... have anything in mind? Always looking for a way to afford more bike parts...
Nah, I meant SELLING. Writing is good an all, but kind of pointless if you can't get clients. Right now, we're trickling on by word of mouth.

We need someone to sell cuz the two sales people we have suck. I've even offered to go along on sales calls, but they don't want help\.
 

sunny

Grammar Civil Patrol
Jul 2, 2004
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Sandy Eggo, CA
Nah, I meant SELLING. Writing is good an all, but kind of pointless if you can't get clients. Right now, we're trickling on by word of mouth.

We need someone to sell cuz the two sales people we have suck. I've even offered to go along on sales calls, but they don't want help\.
OOOHHHH!!!

I read it as: selling print OR marketing stuff. I didn't know what "selling print" was, but I figured it would make sense as time passed.

Sorry... it's really a wonder that I'm actually in retail. I don't really like sales. Sigh.
 

Serial Midget

Al Bundy
Jun 25, 2002
13,053
1,897
Fort of Rio Grande
We need someone to sell cuz the two sales people we have suck. I've even offered to go along on sales calls, but they don't want help\.
Hmmmm... ever thought about a career in footwear? Everyone needs shoes, they're the foundation upon which the fashion industry lies. My team just passed 3.1 million on a rolling 12; I've got a crew that CAN sell. Booya!! :banana:
 

Quanz56

Chimp
Aug 13, 2007
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Minnesota
Don't work in a shoe store, unless it's a high-end fancy schmancy designer one...I worked at one for 2 yrs. Learned a lot of useless info and it was boring and low paying.

Anyway, as said before. I agree this should go for men also, I am a little overweight and wanted to start biking again cause I've always liked it and it would be a good way to get in shape. First bike shop I went to they barely even said hi to me. Customer service really seems to be declining these days, especially in the situation of peoples self-esteem and self-image. Great write-up.