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PatBranch

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
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1. I'm trying to layer two tables with Mozilla Composer. Is it even possible w/o css?

2. Searches: If I put a bunch of keywords in a notes part in the html, will a serach engine find the words and bring up my site as a result?
 
H8R

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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mtnbrider said:
1. I'm trying to layer two tables with Mozilla Composer. Is it even possible w/o css?

2. Searches: If I put a bunch of keywords in a notes part in the html, will a serach engine find the words and bring up my site as a result?
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  • Don't know about the tables...
  • Use meta thingies for the search terms: (I forget where I get this from, but it works apparently)

Here is an example, paste in your info where it says "BLANK"


<meta http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>BLANK</title>


<meta name="description" content="BLANK">

<meta name="keywords" content="BLANK,BLANK,BLANK,BLANK">

<meta name="author" content="BLANK">

<meta name="language" content="en-usa">

<meta name="revisit-after" content="BLANK days">

<meta name="owner" content="BLANK">

<meta name="copyright" content="Copyright&copy; BLANK, All rights reserved">

<meta name="contact_addr" content="BLANK@BLANK.com">

<meta name="rating" content="general">

<meta name="robots" content="all">

<meta name="distribution" content="global">

<meta name="classification" content="BLANK">

<meta http-equiv="reply-to" content="BLANK@BLANK.com">
 
PatBranch

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
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wine country
Thanks a lot for that.

I heard that it's a good idea to put e-mail adresses in images because "spiders" search the web and find addreses for spam. Is it worth putting in an image and loosing the ability to highlight/copy/paste it?
 
D_D

D_D

Monkey
Dec 16, 2001
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You can also use javascript to make emails harder for bots to find.

For search engines just make sure they can see the content, don't hide it with javascript, in images or with flash.
Modern search engines just use the page content and ignore the description and keyword tags so don't waste time with them.
 
Transcend

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
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Towing the party line.
Yup, meta tags are all but ignored now. keyword saturation has to take place in visible content. You must also use page titles and page headline tags effectively.
 
H8R

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
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Transcend said:
Yup, meta tags are all but ignored now. keyword saturation has to take place in visible content. You must also use page titles and page headline tags effectively.
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Good to know.

I think I'm going to crumple our website into a ball and throw it off a roof.
 
PatBranch

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
10,451
9
wine country
hahahaha...
Code: 
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html
 style="direction: ltr;" lang="en"><head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
 http-equiv="Content-Type"><title>Index
&lt;&lt; PB Media</title>
<meta name="author" content="Patrick Branch"><meta
 name="name" content="PB Media (Patrick Branch Media)"><meta
 name="keywords"
 content="Photography and Graphic Design in California. Mountain Biking, Downhill, Motocross, Sailing, Landscapes, Seascapes">head&gt;
</head>
<body style="background-image: url(bkgrd3.gif);"><div
 style="text-align: center;"><table
 style="width: 900px; text-align: left; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"
 border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th
 style="vertical-align: top;"><a><img
 src="i-filmheader.gif" alt="i-filmheader.gif"
 style="border: 0px solid ; width: 900px; height: 139px;"></a></th></tr></tbody></table></div><table
 style="width: 900px; height: 40px; text-align: left; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"
 border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td
 style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><a
 href="index.htm"><img src="i-button.gif"
 alt="i-button.gif" border="0"></a></td><td
 style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><a
 href="p.htm"><img src="p-button.gif"
 alt="p-button.gif" border="0"></a></td><td
 style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><a
 href="gd.htm"><img src="gd-button.gif"
 alt="gd-button.gif]" border="0"></a></td><td
 style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><a
 href="pb.htm"><img src="pb-button.gif"
 alt="pb-button.gif" border="0"></a></td><td
 style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;"><a
 href="ci.htm"><img src="ci-button.gif"
 alt="ci-button.gif" border="0"></a></td></tr><tr></tr></tbody></table><div
 style="text-align: center;"><br><img
 alt="i-painting2.jpg" src="i-painting2.jpg"><br><br><table
 style="background-color: rgb(153, 51, 0); width: 900px; text-align: left; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"
 border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><td
 style="text-align: center;" valign="bottom"><font
 style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="-1"><span
 style="font-family: Verdana;">222</span></font></td>
<td style="text-align: center; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
 valign="bottom"><font style="font-weight: bold;"
 size="-1"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">Please
do not download images of PB Media.</span></font></td>
<td style="text-align: center;"><font
 style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="-1"><span
 style="font-family: Verdana;">Links</span></font></td>
</tr></tbody></table></div></body></html>
I have the Title. What's a headline?
 
PatBranch

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
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wine country
What's a headline? Is written text the only way a search engine will find a site these days? Most of my stuff is graphics...I heard something about special good meta tags, is it true?

Also, when you do a search, what makes it go to a certain page? What should I do if I want a link in a search to go to the Index?
 
binary visions

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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A good rule of thumb is that you should never have text embedded in an image when regular text will suffice. It prevents the search engine from indexing your page, it slows down loading times, it screws up language settings and it kills any accessibility settings that someone might have (e.g. large font or high contrast coloration or something). Most good webpages aren't even using graphics for their navigation buttons any more, since so much design can be done through table/font coloration and effects.

Search engines are not indexing meta content much these days, they index page content. Written text is where the site will find your page.

Search engines index all the pages on your site. You can't "make" it go to a certain page, it will just return the most relevant page to the user's search criteria.
 
binary visions

binary visions

The voice of reason
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You can do whatever you want within the confines of the markup language.

The search engines ignore the HTML tags and simply index the page content. So they don't care if you've got sixty eight tables layered on top of each other with rainbow patterns causing epileptic seizures.
 
Transcend

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
binary visions said:
Search engines index all the pages on your site. You can't "make" it go to a certain page, it will just return the most relevant page to the user's search criteria.
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All good info above.

BTW you CAN make it go to a certain page, but it takes a fair bit of SEO knowledge and some damn good luck as well. You can use robot.txt to force all engine links to hit your index page first.
 
binary visions

binary visions

The voice of reason
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Transcend said:
All good info above.

BTW you CAN make it go to a certain page, but it takes a fair bit of SEO knowledge and some damn good luck as well. You can use robot.txt to force all engine links to hit your index page first.
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Aside from that, though, you really don't want it to. If someone is looking for galleries of photographs and they're using Google to get there, the best possible thing they can do is to immediately be dumped into your photo gallery page for their perusal. Dump them into your index page and they may or may not just click out and move on. Or they may not even click on your link at all if they don't see that it will contain what they're looking for.

When I'm looking for something, I don't want to be taken to a part of the website that is irrelevant to my search. I want to be taken to the specific part I'm searching for - if I then am interested in the rest of the site, so be it, but I want to make that choice.
 
Transcend

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
Oh completely agreed, just saying it can be done. It is incredibly popular with click farms and crap as many people WILL click around to find what they want. The amount of clicks it takes to find something outweighs they amount they will get from directing people to the right page for most of those click for profit/impression sites.
 
binary visions

binary visions

The voice of reason
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mtnbrider said:
I have all real text on there now. :D

Will a search engine find text that is hidden or under something?
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The search engine doesn't care what the page looks like, it only cares about the contents of the HTML file.

Be aware that spamming lines of hidden text in your HTML file is considered abuse, so don't go sticking repetitive keywords or something in there just because people can't see it. If it's real content, though, it's okay.
 
PatBranch

PatBranch

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2004
10,451
9
wine country
What I want to do is use a logo (jpg) instead of the text title I currently have. So, for the search to work I would have to have the text under it.
 
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