[ncrider]

sorry, I can't help it. Eight more weeks and I'll have a degree in economics. I can't do anything without think in cost/benefit terms. When I wipe my ass i think about the elasticity of demand for toilet paper. I'm a total dork.

 

[Zark]

Now you're just being silly.

And no, Zark, there won't be one for freeriding. Until 2007.

What? Would I ask that? Can you use it for Black Diamond riding?

 

[bizutch]

whoa, way too much time on your hands. Go ride your bike

You actually made me want to buy a moto more than ever. Just to spite you....:devil:

 

[James | Go-Ride]

whoa, way too much time on your hands. Go ride your bike

You actually made me want to buy a moto more than ever. Just to spite you....:devil:

I'm getting quite proficient with my moto vs DH rhetoric, it took less time to type out that rant than it seems like it should have

 

[vitox]

When I wipe my ass i think about the elasticity of demand for toilet paper.

no need to

people produce pretty much the same amount of crap no matter the income, and even if it werent so, the cheaper food categories tend to be more crap-intensive so the outcome is still the same.

 

[Transcend]

I think this part gave the intial break away:
"Honda has ordered "several thousand" gearbox downhill bikes into production"
does anyone sell dh bikes in that quantity?

Also, I could easily see it being more expensive than their dirt bikes, smaller quantity's, more expensive materials (carbon and ti), moe emphasis on weight reduction, less parts overlap (ie, their are parts on the dirtbike that are used on probably everyone of their models, the dh bike would be entirely new). I wouldn't be surprised to see a $7k msrp. They'll sell like crazy at that price too. I wonder if you'll have to get them through a honda dealer, or if they'll set up accounts with bike shops?

What i posted is obviously just part of a much longer email. They will be producing bikes, and most probably on a larger scale then anyone else, just because they can. I cannot see honda going into things half assed, they WILL flood the market with bikes, I am almost sure of it. I am also pretty sure that it will be at a fairly reasonable price (in DH terms) for a bike with this level of development and technology. NO OTHER BIKE on the market has gone through this level of analysis, none. Daily data communiques to japan, multiple suspension and brake techs, custom made hubs/brakes..etc etc.

It is the epirome of our sport, and their reputation is on the line with all who ride bikes...I am sure they will live up to it. Hopefully they will bring their F1 style fanatacism to our sport, and made it as much a spectacle of cycling events as formula1 and motoGP are to the car and motorcycle worlds.

 

[math2014]

one word.... GREAT

 

[Westy]

I don't see what the big deal is. Honda has been mass producing MTB's for years.

 

[Curb Hucker]

nice new custom title math

 

[math2014]

nice new custom title math

thanks bro...

courtesy of a friend.... i am really onto curbs now
trying to get rid of my genetic inefficiency on wheelies and manuals.

 

[Stiff]

yeah, that MSRP of $5799.00 for a full on gas powered innovation of pure ingenuity and electronic technological advancement should strike home just how much we pay for a bicyle with no engine and tons and tons of breakable crap on it.

Retail on a Demo 9 Pro - $5500.00??? What's wrong with this picture? :mumble: :mumble:

economies of scale. but yeah, spending money sucks.

 

[ncrider]

Quote: from Vitox
"no need to

people produce pretty much the same amount of crap no matter the income, and even if it werent so, the cheaper food categories tend to be more crap-intensive so the outcome is still the same."

I think your confusing the elasticity of crap. This would equally be a supply problem not demand and your reasonning is correct. However, I was talking about demand for toilet paper, not supply of crap. Lets just say there are some countries where you probly don't want to shake hands with people. Result of a very elastic demand for toilet paper ie, low income lower demand.

 

[Repack]

sorry, I can't help it...

I was just busting your balls, but I think you could tell that. I am getting close to a Managment degree.

 

[vitox]

Quote: from Vitox
"no need to

people produce pretty much the same amount of crap no matter the income, and even if it werent so, the cheaper food categories tend to be more crap-intensive so the outcome is still the same."

I think your confusing the elasticity of crap. This would equally be a supply problem not demand and your reasonning is correct. However, I was talking about demand for toilet paper, not supply of crap. Lets just say there are some countries where you probly don't want to shake hands with people. Result of a very elastic demand for toilet paper ie, low income lower demand.

not quite but i see where you lost my "logic", you see i was assuming crapping occurs after a certain amount of food has been digested, not after a certain time interval.

anyway the elasticity i described as rather inelastic was elasticity of toilet paper demand v/s income, get it?

 

[vitox]

I was just busting your balls, but I think you could tell that. I am getting close to a Managment degree.

ive got one of those too, makes you think about all sorts of stuff while in the line to use the toilet.

 

[ssaddict]

not quite but i see where you lost my "logic", you see i was assuming crapping occurs after a certain amount of food has been digested, not after a certain time interval.

anyway the elasticity i described as rather inelastic was elasticity of toilet paper demand v/s income, get it?

I think this is a little OT but I'm laughing my ass off.

 

[ncrider]

not quite but i see where you lost my "logic", you see i was assuming crapping occurs after a certain amount of food has been digested, not after a certain time interval.

anyway the elasticity i described as rather inelastic was elasticity of toilet paper demand v/s income, get it?

good times Yeah I get it, a % increase or decrease of income will have a small % change on demand. True in most developed countries (unless you've got that kind of toilet that sprays the poo off your but).

 

[JRB]

R.E.M made a song for this very occasion

anyone remember what its called?

Shiny Happy People???

 

[ssaddict]

good times Yeah I get it, a % increase or decrease of income will have a small % change on demand. True in most developed countries (unless you've got that kind of toilet that sprays the poo off your but).

You mean that's not a drinking fountain? :

 

[Damn True]

R.E.M made a song for this very occasion

anyone remember what its called?

Everybody hurts {in the wallet at least} sometimes?

 

[surfinguru]

You mean that's not a drinking fountain? :

Damn, another derailed thread.....

 

[ssaddict]

Damn, another derailed thread.....

Oh please, this thread derailed 3 pages ago when people started talking about freeriding, 3" tires and rootbeer paint.

 

[Grimey]

So... should I buy a new bike now? or what for the Honda?

 

[scottishmark]

clearly wait for the Honda, because my friends, dad's, uncles (twice removed), sisters, moma's, baby daddy said its the best bike in the world!

 

[klunky]

I have to be honest and say that im not that excited by the Honda. ok it has cool gears that nobody has ever seen (could be a cassette and deore mech inside that fancy carbon box) but its still a single pivot. it has fancy suspension jazz made by showa but is it any better than 5th elephant and pushed fox etc? i doubt it. Greg is ripping this season but he didnt do to badly on a 222 and a Haro.

 

[Curb Hucker]

I have to be honest and say that im not that excited by the Honda. ok it has cool gears that nobody has ever seen (could be a cassette and deore mech inside that fancy carbon box) but its still a single pivot. it has fancy suspension jazz made by showa but is it any better than 5th elephant and pushed fox etc? i doubt it. Greg is ripping this season but he didnt do to badly on a 222 and a Haro.

come back here in 5 years after you educate yourself

 

[klunky]

come back here in 5 years after you educate yourself

care to educate me now on why the honda is so much better than a 223?

 

[ioscope]

Costs more

 

[Curb Hucker]

ok it has cool gears that nobody has ever seen (could be a cassette and deore mech inside that fancy carbon box)

Maybe if you had read some of the previous posts in this thread you'd know that the transmission is a CVT, not that those letters mean anything to you anyways

but its still a single pivot.

So is the orange

it has fancy suspension jazz made by showa but is it any better than 5th elephant and pushed fox etc?

If the showa fork/shock are available for purchase, yes i imagine they will be much better than a 5th or a pushed fox, and pretty much anything else, that is if this stuff is of the same quality as their moto products which it probably is.

i doubt it.

thats because you're ignorant


This is going to be an affordable gearbox bike, the first of its kind, its going to be mass-produced, and like it has been said before its going to be one swift kick in the ass for all bike companys and force them to take things to the next level

 

[Transcend]

All I have to say is educate yourself about the bike before you jump to conclusions klunky. The suspension itself is a higher quality build in my opinion then any bike parts i have ever seen (and yes i have been up close and personal with this bike, and done numerous interviews with the team manager and riders).

The difference in quality of bike parts compared to moto parts is very far, at best. The parts are much mroe durable then your average bike part (and costly). The fact that Gregg's were so incredible however is less to do with the shock itself then the gaggle of suspension techs DIRECT from the factory engineering department. These guys were all suspension enginners, not simply trained monkeys.

The CVT is what makes the bike what it is. I ride an orange 223, and have for 4 years now, i absolutely adore it. However, I would jump at the chance to ride a Honda if i was offerred the same sort of deal. The transmission on it, and setup possibilitioes are mind boggling.

So in short, it is not just another single pivot.

 

[klunky]

Im trying to get the point that other than the gearbox this bike doesnt exactly rock the boat in comparison to the new yeti imo.
dont get me wrong im not trying to knock the honda I dont doubt for one second that the bikes very good. I just cant imagine that it is soooooooo much better than anything else out there gearbox exluded.

 

[Transcend]

Im trying to get the point that other than the gearbox this bike doesnt exactly rock the boat in comparison to the new yeti imo.

Ya, you may want to read up on things a little bit more.

The Honda offers up a fundamental change to the way we view cycling. The yeti is simply yet another gimmick suspension system to hit the market. It doesn't really offer anything new at all.

 

[klunky]

Ya, you may want to read up on things a little bit more.

The Honda offers up a fundamental change to the way we view cycling. The yeti is simply yet another gimmick suspension system to hit the market. It doesn't really offer anything new at all.

but you are saying that greg has a team of tech heads tinkering with his bike and that makes a massive difference to performance. How does this help customers buying a production bike? (im not arguing with you I am simply curious) I guess once I have seen a glossy brouchure explaining why its so good it might be a little clearer

 

[Transcend]

but you are saying that greg has a team of tech heads tinkering with his bike and that makes a massive difference to performance. How does this help customers buying a production bike? (im not arguing with you I am simply curious) I guess once I have seen a glossy brouchure explaining why its so good it might be a little clearer

The amount of research and development that have gone into the bike, gearbox system and suspension alone are beyond anything the bike industry has ever seen. The parts have been built around the bike, not simply selected from what was available. (custom parts include hub, brakes, suspension, brake pads, gearbox etc etc)

The gearing system itself is so radical (for a bicycle) that it alone offers more to cycling equipment development then any strangely conceived and hastily put together linkage setup ever will.

No offense to the yeti, I am sure it is a great bike. But let's be honest here, it has had nowhere NEAR the R&D the Honda has, and was probably primarily conceived of just to be different. Honda could have designed anything it wanted, yet chose to stay with a single pivot; Presumably they had good reasons for this.

 

[klunky]

was probably primarily conceived of just to be different. QUOTE]

i did wonder if that was part of the design criteria

 

[Curb Hucker]

Ya, you may want to read up on things a little bit more.

The Honda offers up a fundamental change to the way we view cycling. The yeti is simply yet another gimmick suspension system to hit the market. It doesn't really offer anything new at all.

listen to him

 

[Duzitall]

Nothing wrong with a single pivot anyway's

Chris

 

[S.G.D]

Nothing wrong with a single pivot anyway's

Chris

value = {true}

im excited to see how honda goes about this production gig.

~SGD

 

[offdawalley]

cha, and how much there gonna cost too

 

[Transcend]

cha, and how much there gonna cost too

Is that supposed to be a comprehendible sentence?