the only thing i can think of saying
is that this is great news for out sport
its being recognised as a serious market
is that this is great news for out sport
its being recognised as a serious market
huge show scoop for transcend...starts with an H brraaap
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Honda has the name and money to mass produce these frames and potentially put many other manufacturers out of business. I was talking to a friend and he was saying that all other companies were real scared about this since they will mass produce them and then sell them alot cheaper
OKay, take a deep breath here kids and think for a moment with your minds, not the reactionary lizard brains you're currently using for your responses to this thread. There will be more than one bike. Top of the line works bikes will cost hella, yes, and maybe even get Showa bouncers and Kayaba Brakes, etc, but the Frame is what matters most. As I am sure anyone will tell you that Between Marz, Progressive, Avy, and New Fox stuff, not to mention Manipoo, we have some damn fine quality suspension as it is, not saying the Showa stuff won't be amazing and make many lesser shocks sad and insecure, you can still tune them all for pretty great performance. Now, use off the shelf parts for thses areas along with braking, etc, and you'll still have a phenomenal platform with new technology where it counts, and it will be affordable to all of us who already spend money rightfully earmarked for food or rent on our bikes as it is.
Honda will revoloutionize our sport through production of this bike. My old lady and I will be riding our Bullit and Gemini till the Honda hits the streets. By the way, to that Yeti fan, look at motorcycles, production MX bikes ALL use single pivot swingarms. Is that because they're dumb and outdated, or could it be that they're stiff, active, plush, simple to manufacture, and work over a very wide range of conditions better than anything else devised? I don't know.......
We should all be happy, we're not all going to have to ride Hondas, others will follow soon, very soon indeed. We might lose a company or two, but lots of others will be able to rise to the challenge. It's gonna be nice.
Honda will revoloutionize our sport through production of this bike. My old lady and I will be riding our Bullit and Gemini till the Honda hits the streets. By the way, to that Yeti fan, look at motorcycles, production MX bikes ALL use single pivot swingarms. Is that because they're dumb and outdated, or could it be that they're stiff, active, plush, simple to manufacture, and work over a very wide range of conditions better than anything else devised? I don't know.......
We should all be happy, we're not all going to have to ride Hondas, others will follow soon, very soon indeed. We might lose a company or two, but lots of others will be able to rise to the challenge. It's gonna be nice.
Transcend said:
/pedant They havent been out for 4 yrs
222 for 3 years, 223 last year. This years 223 is on the way. That counts for 5 years if you wanna get picky.wysiwyg said:/pedant They havent been out for 4 yrs
I think I have a Mr O coming too, just to have for fun.
Jeff Stanton and Ricky Johnson are coming out of retirement to sign 2 year contracts and race the Vet class at Worlds to fulfill left over time on their contracts.....
wha? "3 years" + "last year" + "this years[sic] ... on the way" == "5 years"? isn't this equivalent to saying 3 + 1 + 0 adds up to 5?Transcend said:222 for 3 years, 223 last year. This years 223 is on the way. That counts for 5 years if you wanna get picky.
I think I have a Mr O coming too, just to have for fun.
do not screw with my inter-nerd math Toshi. I am warning you buddy...Toshi said:
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I don't want to get caught up in this tar pit, but here are a few things to consider. To those who think the single pivot is the bane of the DH racing world and nothing works better than a VPP or whatever, talk to Steve Peat about it. Talk to Chris Van Dine about it. Talk to Doug Henry or Travis Pastrana about it, two professional motocrossers who regularly ride mountain bikes. Talk to Anybody who rides a Bullit, an RM7, a DHR, a Cuervo, a Mono, a Chumba, a Tomac, an ASX . . . clearly being a single pivot bike does not define the level of quality (either in terms of production or ride) of any bike. Period. You can not argue with that. Well, you can, but I'll win the argument.
Secondly, and you're going to have to take this for what it's worth because we ARE a Yeti dealer but I'm attempting to view the 303 without bias, I don't think the new 303 is a marketing ploy. They're only making like 150 - 200 of these bikes. It's not going to make or break the company. The design was the only way for Yeti to get exactly what they wanted out of the bike in terms of wheel path AND suspension progression, all while keeping what should be an incredible level of lateral strength and smooth movement. Of course the proof is in the pudding so we'll have to wait for production, but so far I'm not convinced on any level that the 303 is just a marketing ploy to get Yeti seriously back into the DH race scene. A, they were never out of the scene. B, Yeti will always have buyers for their bikes just because they're Yeti.
So anyway I want a Honda. Even if it is a Deore derailleur and a cassette inside the box, that's fine with me. As long as my wheel has zero dish and I don't have a flimsy parallelogram of metal (or plastic if you like SRAM stuff) hanging off the back of my bike, THAT is an improvement.
Secondly, and you're going to have to take this for what it's worth because we ARE a Yeti dealer but I'm attempting to view the 303 without bias, I don't think the new 303 is a marketing ploy. They're only making like 150 - 200 of these bikes. It's not going to make or break the company. The design was the only way for Yeti to get exactly what they wanted out of the bike in terms of wheel path AND suspension progression, all while keeping what should be an incredible level of lateral strength and smooth movement. Of course the proof is in the pudding so we'll have to wait for production, but so far I'm not convinced on any level that the 303 is just a marketing ploy to get Yeti seriously back into the DH race scene. A, they were never out of the scene. B, Yeti will always have buyers for their bikes just because they're Yeti.
So anyway I want a Honda. Even if it is a Deore derailleur and a cassette inside the box, that's fine with me. As long as my wheel has zero dish and I don't have a flimsy parallelogram of metal (or plastic if you like SRAM stuff) hanging off the back of my bike, THAT is an improvement.
Wait...aren't these going to have that fancy cam-rocker-MBA-techwhore whatever drivetrain? Isn't the derailluer-in-a-box thing something that was shown at I-Bike just a few weeks ago?James | Go-Ride said:
Or did I miss something in all the Intenet banter which I haven't been following too closely, and they're going to try and use the derailleur-in-a-box deal instead of the 'real' transmission on the pro bikes?
MD
No no, I was just saying that even if it doesn't have the CVT thing it's still an improvement to move the shifting duties to within the box instead of off the back of the swingarm.MikeD said: