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Hungy hungy bears

CBJ

year old fart
Mar 19, 2002
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Enough threads about insects that are scary.

By Alexei Dovbysh

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia, July 22 (Reuters) - At least 30 hungry bears have trapped a group of geologists at their remote survey site in Russia's far east after killing two of their co-workers last week, emergency officials said on Tuesday.

The team of geologists on Russia's seismically active Kamchatka peninsula refused to leave their camp after the bears showed up, a press spokesman for the Kamchatka emergency services ministry said.

"In the interests of safety they didn't come out to work -- the people are scared by the invasion of bears," the spokesman said.

A bear killed two geologists at the worksite on July 18, officials said.

Officials on Kamchatka, nine time zones east of Moscow on the Pacific Ocean, said this year was remarkable for either too many bears or not enough fish.

"Either way there is not enough food," the spokesman said.

Rampant fish poaching in the empty tundra of Russia's farthest reaches sends hungry bear populations into populated centres every year, attracted to the food-rich garbage humans leave behind.

Officials said a helicopter ferrying officials and hunters could not fly in bad weather, but an all-terrain vehicle was on its way to the camp, where it would await government approval to shoot the bears.

"It looks like a shoot by the hunters won't take place today as there is still no permission. As soon as we get the document from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky the hunters can get to work," the spokesman said.

As many as 16,000 native brown bears, cousins of the American Grizzly, live on Kamchatka, an area twice the size of Great Britain. An adult male can weigh 700 kilograms (1,500 lbs) and stand 3 metres (10 feet) tall.

(Writing by Chris Baldwin, editing by Robert Hart)

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL22583868
 

ridiculous

Turbo Monkey
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I hope it does, at least it will be on tv then...
you guys are forgetting about grizzly man pictured above. Discovery has tried this, but they realized that they couldnt show the best part, a bear attacking a person. Instead they made 6 drawn out episodes of a guy "grizzly man" almost being destroyed by a bear. Sadly to confirm that he had been eaten by a bear, a crew shot the bear to open it up and check, just to be sure. :bonk::crazy:
 

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Turbo Monkey
Mar 14, 2005
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And the hits keep on coming....

It would appear that the bears are crankier than normal this year...

 

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Turbo Monkey
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While that is usually the case that almost all bear attacks are due to surprising the bear in dense brush as it was in these two, both of these incidents were in well traveled heavily used areas...

The one at Ousel falls in particular is a favorite trail a stone's throw from the road used by young moms and kids and old folks.

So I don't think you would say it's more than normal.

Henry's lake area is overrun with grizzlies leaving Yellowstone but because of Covid there are half as many tourons as "normal" for this time of year. So again I wouldn't "blame" the attack on mobile Whippo...

I haven't been to Yellowstone park proper yet this summer as MT entrances are closed til. june but I've been reading there are concerns from biologists that the animals may have gotten used to the lessened traffic and may not respond as they have in years past (i.e. ignore them...)

So they're anticipating more problematic encounters even with less human traffic
 
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Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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You get a pissed off bear..... terrible round for a bear, poor penetration with almost zero expansion...... there is a reason it has never caught on as a hunting application.
That's not really correct.

Handgun rounds kill by expansion and the wound channel being "as big as" the expanded bullet, more or less. Sometimes the rounds fragment, but due to the lower speed and lower energy, they stay together more than rifle rounds. Most handgun rounds are ineffective against a bear though because there's not enough power to penetrate deeply to a vital organ and create a long enough wound channel. For humans, it's much easier, they are "softer" and the wound channel creates a massive loss of blood pressure, causing either unconsciousness or death, regardless of if you hit a vital organ.

Rifle rounds enter supersonic and keep a lot more energy, creating a shockwave within the body. That shockwave tears apart the internals and is what causes the loss of blood pressure, often fragmenting and each of those fragments creating their own shockwave. That's how rifle rounds kill, they aren't intended to "expand". That also helps them get penetration, except that fragmenting and longer ranges can significantly deteriorate the penetration obviously. Usually the heavier rounds help here. A guy unloaded a 30 round magazine from a 5.56 AR into a bear a few years ago, didn't kill it outright, but it moved off and then was later found dead. Pretty shitty for the guy to be using such a stupid weapon, inhumane for the bear to have to take hours to die, but 7.62 is starts to get up there. I'd think that 7.62x51 would definitely "do something", that's a pretty high power round. Not as good as some of the higher power stuff like a 300 win mag obviously, but again, they aren't intended expand, they are intended to penetrate and create a shock wave. 7.62x39? Well, it's still a much larger round than a 5.56, probably still pretty significant up close. Rifle rounds in the .30 caliber and up class generally have that kind of energy. Even 7.62x39 is more than twice as fast as most common handgun rounds.
 
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