[BurlyShirley]

I dont think I have a hundred miles on these. The front has a slash in it that is now bubbling out and I just tore the rear wide open and there is no repairing it. Just had to hike a couple of miles. Real nice.

Damn the french.

I guess dont buy these if you can help it. I new they really werent up to the task of hte kind of riding I like to do, but I wanted them for riding on the road while my broken foot healed. After I got better, I decided just to run them til they died.

Well, they died...

 

[johnbryanpeters]

R.i.p.

 

[Trainwreck]

A lot of people around here avoid them like the plague, loose sand is like riding on ice. Great entertainment value though!

 

[skinny mike]

i don't think i have ever killed a tire, aside from running it until it wore out. and i am not easy on my tires as the sidewalls always scrape against rocks and whatnot.

 

[Zark]

They are great for one thing: spinning up hardpack climbs
Thats it

 

[Ozzer]

Weird, bec the Python model has been around since 1998 and has not been changed since bec ridership on them is still consistently high.

I raced my part on a 24 hr race this last weekend on a skinny a$$ tubeless light version of the Python for a combined 30-35 mile. We're in SoCal so we're talking kitty litter loose dirt here but the Pythons held up.

My fave tire right now out of all the Hutchies I have access to is the 2.3 New Generation Python MRC Tubeless. I can't say the same for the Hutch Bulldog line-up (i think these, 2.3 and smaller, are not too good at all). I have some nifty Python variation that I will be racing on my DH bike this winter.

I think the track record of the Python will and has spoken for itself or it would have been pulled out of the line (like the Jumbo and On The Rocks models which flopped). As long as it's not peanut butter muddy out, the Pythons are cool.

 

[Westy]

I like my pythons. The light versions won't last around sharp rocks but for hardpack with roots and round rocks like we have in the foothills they are great. Head up into the mountains where the rocks are sharper they don't do so well, but few tires do. I guess it also helps being a buck fitty.

I can usually find them for less than $20 so if they only last half as long as a $50 tire they are a great deal.

 

[Reactor]

I started calling them "slip and falls". Thay roll fast but Hit sand over hardpack and you'll be down before you can say sacre bleu.

 

[douglas]

I loved my python golds, and liked the python lights for front use

 

[auntesther]

thats odd...I love Pythons...I have rode the same pair for 4+ years and have hundreds of miles on them and they just wont die. I would rank them as the best overall XC tire I have ever used.

 

[Westy]

thats odd...I love Pythons...I have rode the same pair for 4+ years and have hundreds of miles on them and they just wont die. I would rank them as the best overall XC tire I have ever used.

Some tires just work better for some people than others. A lot of people like continental explorers. Mine worked great until I hit a wet root or rock then they have 0 traction.

Hutchinson also makes a 2.3" python that is basically the same size tire with bigger knobs and a heavier casing. I beaten the crap out of one on my Yeti and have had no problems.

 

[BurlyShirley]

...just picked up some 2.1 Nevegals and a bottle o' stans. Nice.

 

[Zark]

...just picked up some 2.1 Nevegals and a bottle o' stans. Nice.

Kendas disintegrate on contact with Stans dude. They start bubbling and doing weird sh*t. No joke.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Kendas disintegrate on contact with Stans dude. They start bubbling and doing weird sh*t. No joke.

Well I know quite a few people who run this combo. If they do, Ill take them back to teh LBS that sold them to me and raise some hell.

 

[golgiaparatus]

A lot of people like continental explorers.

I use to swear by those but never liked the Pythons. Pythons just wouldnt hold in a hard corner... washed out every time. I'm liking the Blue grooves for XC right now... good all around tire that can still hol a corner as well as anything else I have encountered.

 

[Zark]

Well I know quite a few people who run this combo. If they do, Ill take them back to teh LBS that sold them to me and raise some hell.

Well it might fall on deaf ears, here's the blurb from Kenda's website.

ATTENTION KENDA VALUED CUSTOMERS
KENDA DOES NOT ENDORSE THE USE OF ANY FLUID BASED SEALANT PRODUCTS IN KENDA TUBE TYPE OR TUBELESS TYPE TIRES. USE OF ANY FLUID BASED PRODUCT IN KENDA TIRES WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY CLAIMS.

THANK YOU!
Kenda Management

If you have any questions, please contact
us at:
Tel: (614) 866-9803 x1
Fax: (614) 866-9805
Toll Free: (866) 536-3287 x1
bicycle@kendausa.com

 

[BurlyShirley]

Well it might fall on deaf ears, here's the blurb from Kenda's website.

ATTENTION KENDA VALUED CUSTOMERS
KENDA DOES NOT ENDORSE THE USE OF ANY FLUID BASED SEALANT PRODUCTS IN KENDA TUBE TYPE OR TUBELESS TYPE TIRES. USE OF ANY FLUID BASED PRODUCT IN KENDA TIRES WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY CLAIMS.

THANK YOU!
Kenda Management

If you have any questions, please contact
us at:
Tel: (614) 866-9803 x1
Fax: (614) 866-9805
Toll Free: (866) 536-3287 x1
bicycle@kendausa.com

Well, like I said, the shop gave me the combo, and if it turns out to be an issue, I'll be loud and clear enough that "deaf ears" wont be an option. :biggrin:

What the hell are you supposed to do anyway, run nothing inside tubeless? Retarded.

 

[Zark]

What the hell are you supposed to do anyway, run nothing inside tubeless? Retarded.

I agree, its pretty lame.
Its weird, some people get away with the Stan's, other peoples tires look like they got leprosy

 

[Wumpus]

...just picked up some 2.1 Nevegals and a bottle o' stans. Nice.

No wonder your back hurts. Put some real tires on there, and you would be a lot better off.

 

[BurlyShirley]

No wonder your back hurts. Put some real tires on there, and you would be a lot better off.

Is there something fake about those? I like Nevegals.

 

[Wumpus]

Is there something fake about those? I like Nevegals.

I'm sure nevegals are fine, but if you are tearing things up, I would think you would want at least 2.3s

 

[BurlyShirley]

Those pictures made me sad.


2.1 Nev's are pretty meaty by the way.

 

[blue]

Were you running the airlight Pythons? Those are notorious for splitting open at the faintest hint of the word "rock".

I've had extremely good luck with the regular UST Pythons...they roxor for the xczor. Fast as hell, but grippy enough to get by.

 

[OGRipper]

BS, why not call the shop back, ask if they are aware of this issue, and give them a chance to take the stuff back before you go and ruin the parts and THEN demand a refund? Yes they should probably be aware and told you before the purchase, but come on. Give them an opportunity to give you a full refund now, while they can still sell the tires or goo to someone else. It's pretty lame to expect a full refund if you go ahead and ride that set-up knowing what you know now.

 

[BurlyShirley]

BS, why not call the shop back, ask if they are aware of this issue, and give them a chance to take the stuff back before you go and ruin the parts and THEN demand a refund? Yes they should probably be aware and told you before the purchase, but come on. Give them an opportunity to give you a full refund now, while they can still sell the tires or goo to someone else. It's pretty lame to expect a full refund if you go ahead and ride that set-up knowing what you know now.

Its already installed and Im not sure there's an issue. Im asking around locally if anyone is running this same combo. If I find its doomed to failure, I'll call the shop.

EDIT: Also, if I find out immediately that there's an issue, Ill dump the stans and just go commando. I like the tires. Ill try sime?

 

[golgiaparatus]

Those pictures made me sad.
2.1 Nev's are pretty meaty by the way.

Yeah the 2.1 nevs arent much slimmer than my Conti 2.3s.

 

[Wumpus]

Its already installed and Im not sure there's an issue. Im asking around locally if anyone is running this same combo. If I find its doomed to failure, I'll call the shop.

EDIT: Also, if I find out immediately that there's an issue, Ill dump the stans and just go commando. I like the tires. Ill try sime?

I wouldn't worry too much. Lot of folks run that setup. Seems to take six months or so before the bubbles pop up if they are going to at all.

 

[Ozzer]

We've experienced enough issues with "bubbling" and "bulging" on sidewalls and 90% of the incidents were installation related. Often times, the tire levers jab right at the bead/sidewall interface instead of underneath the bead itself. You can get tear or little rips here and there due to this malpractice. This is why we encourage (both in words and manual) to not use tire levers on all UST tubeless tires in Huthcinson line-up. This is due to the fact that the bead/rim lock interface uses a really sticky soft compound that is needed for a tight air lock, and this is very prone to tear if you jab it with a tire lever.
The other 10% of incidents, it was just probably God striking us with vengance.

 

[Reactor]

Kendas disintegrate on contact with Stans dude. They start bubbling and doing weird sh*t. No joke.

Hmm.... I'll have tell that to my bikes. My wife and I have three bikes using the nevergal/stans combo for about a year. Problems = 0.

 

[Reactor]

We've experienced enough issues with "bubbling" and "bulging" on sidewalls and 90% of the incidents were installation related. Often times, the tire levers jab right at the bead/sidewall interface instead of underneath the bead itself. You can get tear or little rips here and there due to this malpractice. This is why we encourage (both in words and manual) to not use tire levers on all UST tubeless tires in Huthcinson line-up. This is due to the fact that the bead/rim lock interface uses a really sticky soft compound that is needed for a tight air lock, and this is very prone to tear if you jab it with a tire lever.
The other 10% of incidents, it was just probably God striking us with vengance.

I install my tires by hand, usually with no tire levers, and I've never had a problem.

 

[jdcamb]

I install my tires by hand, usually with no tire levers, and I've never had a problem.

Me too. No secret actually....

 

[Skookum]

i'm punishing some Nevegals 2.1's this year and they're holding up fine. A nice tire in that they hook well, but don't have an abundance of resistance either. Kenda's run a fair size as well, a 2.1 is plenty meaty for hearty descents. i have a pair of 2.3's for winter though.

Anyways i ran some Kenda Karma's for a spell and trashed those pretty good. i did enjoy the ability of climbing with no resistance, but you really give up traction on corners and such, it was actually kind of fun and challenging. Well anyways if you ride aggresively you just can't keep tires like that for too long....

So my thoughts on that tires are nothing but positive. Hopefully you have luck on tubeless, but the tire does the job.