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Hybrid cars cause rescuer's worry

Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Rescuers prep for hybrid car accidents
Tuesday, May 4, 2004 Posted: 1:56 PM EDT (1756 GMT)

Emergency crews are scrambling to learn more about how to avoid catastrophes that could be caused by hybrid cars' high-voltage electric systems.

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- The growing popularity of hybrid vehicles poses a new danger for rescuers at accident scenes: a network of high-voltage circuitry that may require some precise cutting to save a trapped victim.

"You don't want to go crushing anything with hydraulic tools," said Samuel Caroluzzi, an assistant chief with the Norristown Fire Department outside Philadelphia. "It's enough to kill you from what they're telling us in training."

Hybrids draw power from two sources, typically a gas or diesel engine combined with an electric motor. The battery powering the electric motor carries as much as 500 volts, more than 40 times the strength of a standard battery.

That worries those who must cut into cars to rescue people inside.

"If you can't shut it down, you don't know where the high voltage is," said David Dalrymple, an emergency medical technician in New Brunswick, New Jersey.

Manufacturers have a list of safety checks that the car's computer must go through for the electrical system to run. They've published guides showing the location of the electric components; on the Toyota Prius and other hybrids, the high-power cables are colored bright orange to catch the eye of a rescue worker or a mechanic.

But there are concerns over what happens if something goes wrong and the battery, ignition and other points are inaccessible.

"It's the 'what-if' that worries me," said David Castiaux, an instructor for Mid-Del Technology Center in Del City, Oklahoma, who teaches rescue workers about hybrids.

Chris Peterson, a service training instructor for Toyota, said the Prius' electric system should shut down if anything goes wrong. "There should not be high voltage in those cables, but I'm not going to stand up and say there isn't," he said.

Rescuers are taught to disconnect the battery and turn off the key immediately before cutting into a car, but that's not always possible.

Concerns about hybrids are increasing in large part because of their growing popularity. Sales have risen at an average annual rate of 88.6 percent since 2000 and recent figures show the number of Americans driving them jumped more than 25 percent from 2002 to 2003.

The Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius are common now and more are on the way: hybrid versions of the Ford Escape, Honda Accord and Lexus SUV this year, and a Toyota Highlander in 2005.

The Alachua County Fire Rescue in Gainesville, Florida, even has two hybrids of its own. Although its crews haven't had to deal with a hybrid crash, they've been getting versed on what to do when it happens, said Cliff Chapman, assistant chief.

They know not to cut into a hybrid's doors -- that's where many of the cables are -- and to peel off the roof instead. They also now operate under the assumption that a car is energized, wearing rubber gloves and boots.
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LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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i would've liked to have seen more technical info. For example, while 500 volts sounds like a lot, it's actually the amps in a system that kills you. The volts are required to overcome the natural resistance in your body and carry the amps in.

Can't they just ground the car if the battery is inaccessible?

Oh fvck it, hybrids are just too dangerous. Let's ban 'em. Oh sure, you think I'm joking but all hell will break lose when the first paramedic dies from 'em.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by LordOpie
i would've liked to have seen more technical info. For example, while 500 volts sounds like a lot, it's actually the amps in a system that kills you. The volts are required to overcome the natural resistance in your body and carry the amps in.

Can't they just ground the car if the battery is inaccessible?

Oh fvck it, hybrids are just too dangerous. Let's ban 'em. Oh sure, you think I'm joking but all hell will break lose when the first paramedic dies from 'em.
Yeah seriously...we've now got a good excuse on our hands to go back and start buying gas guzzling monstrosities for commuters...
 

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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Just spray it with water.. that'll short it out!

Hasn't anyone crash tested these things to see what happens? These things have been out for a while, and they are just now thinking about what happens if it is still 'live' when they are trying to rescue someone?!?!?
 

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Yeah seriously...we've now got a good excuse on our hands to go back and start buying gas guzzling monstrosities for commuters...
They explode too... so we nee to ban anything that can cause harm after a crash.

What does that leave us with... BICYCLES!!!
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by Slugman
They explode too... so we nee to ban anything that can cause harm after a crash.

What does that leave us with... BICYCLES!!!
Nope, that's no good either. See safetrails.net for more info...
 

Westy

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Nov 22, 2002
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Most cars have an inertia triggered breaker to kill power to fuel pumps. Sounds like they need to do the same for the battery output. 500V is not that much, a pair of decent rubber gloves should protect any rescuer types.
 

MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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Yeah that's BS. Yes you haveto be careful with batteries. But you also have to be careful with a big vat of gasoline. How are you supposed to make a car wreck "safe"?

But yes. introducing an inertial circuit breaker right at the battery pack...or maybe a relay connected to the airbag logic. I'd be surprised if they have not already done that. And I'd be willing to wager that in a few days, some of the HEV manufacturers will offer a rebuttal to this story.